Thanks for those 2 suppliers. One question, after looking at their sites it appear they keep the military look, one thing attractive about plan b is getting one a little less military all ready to go. Is their rep not very good? I don't mind spending the money to get one right, but I don't want an extravagant build either. I just signed up on steel soldiers and have been looking around. Most on their seem to be fairly stock, still camo, etc. There is a brand new never used light armored one on steel soldiers for 80k. I am tempted but that is a lot of money for something I will drive less than 5k a year. Ideally I would like to get something under 40k that has been gone thru mechanically as much as possible, maybe with any known trouble spots fixed. It seems grounding is big on these, also the electrics under the dash, and perhaps engine cooling are trouble spots.