You might want to check out where the $500 Warns are made, take a wild guess.Check out where the Badlands winches are made. China.
Let me quickly apply Herbie's Harbor Freight "Should I trust this?" litmus test:
Q) Will failure of this tool cause me injury or death?
A) Failure mode of this tool is likely that it will fail to winch. Catastrophic/explosive failure seems unlikely and is mitigated by standard safety procedures.
Result: This item passes. If I needed a winch, I'd put this on the list.
(For reference, items that Fail Herbie's HF Litmus test: Spring Compressors, Jack Stands, overhead lifting tools, fasteners used in any load-bearing application)
Oh ... my ... gosh. Really? How about this: Buy a brand new Warn 9000 lb. winch and get a way better product all the way around for about $100 more....
You must learn how to rig. I can rig my 9000 lb. Warn to lift as much as that 12,000 lb. badlands with proper rigging....
My advice: Go for a decent quality winch and learn how to rig properly.
Oh ... my ... gosh. Really? How about this: Buy a brand new Warn 9000 lb. winch and get a way better product all the way around for about $100 more. (You can find them on-sale for $499 - $100 discount if you look) The speed, overall rating, and quality of the components makes a difference. Check out where the Badlands winches are made. China. Caveat: You must learn how to rig. I can rig my 9000 lb. Warn to lift as much as that 12,000 lb. badlands with proper rigging. Safety is a high priority, and I've seen some incredibly stupid rigging in my life. I've stopped a person or two before they killed or injured someone with a bad rigging job.
My advice: Go for a decent quality winch and learn how to rig properly.
Badland's are not moisture protected/sealed.
Search XRC8 Smittybilt it's your best buy.
Do a YouTube search. There are videos of guys that disassemble them.It would be interesting to see their motor & geartrain construction.
Electric winches are no different than a Skilsaw or moms vibrator. Details of construction rules.
Despite many H.F. Power tools perform remarkably good for their pricetag, but open them up & its obvious they skimp on details what assure long life & reliability.
@gotherder ... Are you confusing me? So I guess you are a big fan of poorly made winches and poor rigging? With my several degrees, I can't quite understand your point. My recommendation is still 100% that he should buy a decent winch and learn to rig properly instead of buying a cheaply made winch and relying on it 100% to make up for poor rigging (which is what many people do - and btw, just using a snatch block does not make proper rigging. Case in point.). Please don't troll my posts. I didn't slam you just for fun, so why do you feel the need to slam others because they have all that edumacation?
This 12k Badlands winch is marked down to $280 in their upcoming 'parking lot sale', Oct 13-15
BUT their ubiquitous 20% coupons exclude their use on 'Parking Lot Sale' items. And the parking lot sale price is more than 20% off their 'regular' pricing ($379) anyway.
I've noticed that these winches cycle thru 'sale' pricing every several weeks. Much like Mossberg shotguns at Big5. If you can't afford it now, wait a bit and it will be on sale again soon enough.
@rayra - ******? Are you a complete illiterate? Or are you just another troll on what is usually a pretty good website? My original post stated my advice was, "My advice: Go for a decent quality winch and learn how to rig properly." I didn't demand obedience to Warn. The point being that proper winching and proper rigging can make a decent quality winch that has a smaller capacity every bit as good as a heavier capacity winch that is poorly made and won't last long. Sounds like horrible advice ... and I'm not your brother. Man, some people can be totally stupid when they troll.
You might want to check out where the $500 Warns are made, take a wild guess.
OK show me a new US made 9000lb Warn winch for $500 then.At E.J. - Well, you are sorta correct. Only the VR series.