Hybrid diesel Range Rover and Range Rover Sport coming

greynolds

Observer
Greynolds, when you mention that gas mileage was your deciding factor - is that because of the environmental impact?
Gas mileage was a deciding factor, not the only one. But it was because of both cost and how far I can go on a tank of fuel. Though I can afford to purchase a brand new Range Rover or the G550, I'm also not the typical Range Rover buyer who has virtually unlimited income.

Another note... for many buyers, the Range Rover is not their only car. They have a 911, or a Bentley GT in the garage as well. But the Range Rover is what they choose to drive, because "it fits in just as well at the country club as it does at Home Depot."
In my case, the Range Rover will be my only car.

And by the way - hey Adam, long time no see from the BSROA days when your dad brought his brand new Range Rover out on the Florida Road trail in Western MA. It was truly impressive seeing how well it did on that trail compared to some modified D90's :D. I hope you and your dad (and family) are doing well. Is the BSROA still alive?
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
Geoff, those were the days! Fall Heritage 1997... BSROA is non-existent although I have aspirations of reinventing the experience. Everyone is doing well although no Land Rovers in the family now outside of my Series 3. Do you ever miss your old Discovery? Congratulations on the Range Rover!
 

greynolds

Observer
Geoff, those were the days! Fall Heritage 1997... BSROA is non-existent although I have aspirations of reinventing the experience. Everyone is doing well although no Land Rovers in the family now outside of my Series 3. Do you ever miss your old Discovery? Congratulations on the Range Rover!
Good to hear. And yeah, I do miss it in some ways, but the reliability issues with it were getting too frustrating to put up with. I'm keeping my fingers crossed that Land Rover has their act together now and am debating about spending extra for an extended warranty. I almost always consider those a poor deal for the buyer, but the peace of mind might be worth it in this case.
 

proper4wd

Expedition Leader
I can walk you through all of it. I'm going away for a few days but feel free to send me an email directly.
 

junkyddog11

Oil Soaked Filter
Another note... for many buyers, the Range Rover is not their only car. They have a 911, or a Bentley GT in the garage as well. But the Range Rover is what they choose to drive, because "it fits in just as well at the country club as it does at Home Depot."

I drive a Range Rover because people keep abandoning them in my parking lot. I'd love to trade them all in for a new one.....and I'd get it with the big ole V8, cause if I'm living that large Im not driving a fawkin diesel anymore lol.

Glad to see your still in it Adam.
 

junkyddog11

Oil Soaked Filter
Side note; I have converted more Land Rovers from diesel to petrol this year then petrol to diesel. Go figure. Mostly for the same old reasons.....lack of performance, cost of repair, sick of the smell, tired of the difficulty of finding fuel........none of which apply to modern diesels AT ALL (well, Im not sure about the cost of repair....or the fuel bit). But, these archaic stereotypes still seem to be an issue with the general public.
 

Red90

Adventurer
.....But, these archaic stereotypes still seem to be an issue with the general public.
Only in the USA... Up hear in the great white north it seems most people are getting the diesel version of the SUVs that have a diesel option. They drive nicer and use less fuel and people see that. The other problem in the States, is diesel is taxed higher than gasoline.
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
Only in the USA... Up hear in the great white north it seems most people are getting the diesel version of the SUVs that have a diesel option. They drive nicer and use less fuel and people see that. The other problem in the States, is diesel is taxed higher than gasoline.

I think it is logical to tax diesel higher because vehicles that use diesel here in the U.S. are almost all heavy private or commercial trucks which have a greater impact on the road than gas vehicles. That is, they cause a lot more wear and tear on the road than smaller gas powered vehicles do, and it is a road use tax after all.
 

EIGHTLUG

Observer
I think it is logical to tax diesel higher because vehicles that use diesel here in the U.S. are almost all heavy private or commercial trucks which have a greater impact on the road than gas vehicles. That is, they cause a lot more wear and tear on the road than smaller gas powered vehicles do, and it is a road use tax after all.

What if it was thought about this way. Lets say a fully laden tractor trailer weighs 70,000 Lbs. Eighteen tires on the road, so the avg per tire weight is 3,888 Lbs. For fun's sake lets just say the contact patch of each tire is three times that of a tire on typical full size sedan or truck with OEM fitment tires. Breaking it down like that, the PPSI on the road surface for a tractor trailer is less than that of a full sized sedan or full size truck. Now I'm just putting this out there for hyperbole. It's not scientific. It's just a different spin on the topic.
 

David Harris

Expedition Leader
What if it was thought about this way. Lets say a fully laden tractor trailer weighs 70,000 Lbs. Eighteen tires on the road, so the avg per tire weight is 3,888 Lbs. For fun's sake lets just say the contact patch of each tire is three times that of a tire on typical full size sedan or truck with OEM fitment tires. Breaking it down like that, the PPSI on the road surface for a tractor trailer is less than that of a full sized sedan or full size truck. Now I'm just putting this out there for hyperbole. It's not scientific. It's just a different spin on the topic.

Well to begin with a fully laden tractor trailer weighs 80,000 pounds, which is 4444 lbs per tire. That's the starting point. I don't think the contact patch will be three times more for a semi tire, being tall, narrow and skinny, but even if they were, divided by three that would be 1481 lbs per tire. To even equal that the average full size sedan or truck would have to be 5925 lbs. which is clearly not reality. Then there are bridges and overpasses which have to be built to take the weight and size, weigh stations, someone to come and pick up all the blown truck tire carcasses littering the road all the time, not to mention the increased danger of so many trucks on the road (Ever had a truck cut into in your lane at the last minute to pass and then take five miles to get around?)
 

I Leak Oil

Expedition Leader
It's simply putting a tax on the minority to help subsidize the majority. No more, no less despite what any official tells you.

Matt, save one of those diesels you've taken out for my IIa....:elkgrin:
 

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