I'm going to check out a van this afternoon!

tgreening

Expedition Leader
I've read nothing but good things about these motors, but I'm wary of looking for one myself, as the newest vans you can find them in are now 17 years old. I don't know much about diesels and I gather if they have not been maintained well, they can be a lot of trouble.


Anything can be a lot of trouble if you don't maintain it, not just diesels. The thing about the 7.3 is its a durable engine that generally doesn't suffer from any major issues until the mileage gets wayyy up there. Stuff like injectors and what-not is dirt cheap compared to anything 6.x. Those are diesels to stay away from unless you have a real need for one, or comfortably deep pockets. I've owned or own all of them. Currently a 7.3 idi, a 6.0 F350 dually, and a 6.7 F350 fleet side. Those last two can eat you alive on repair costs.

My Ambo is a 1992 and I bought it 2 yrs ago with 104k on it. No rust on the cab, the box is aluminum, and the frame is in excellent shape. It had new tires, the tranny was recently rebuilt, and the box was 90% of the way camperized enough to make me happy. A few sensor issues here and there, probably cost me less than $100 total, and it was good to go.

Two years and 10k miles later it's 4x4, locked front and rear, rolling on 37" double beadlocks, and turbo charged.


 

DavidAlex

New member
Anything can be a lot of trouble if you don't maintain it, not just diesels. The thing about the 7.3 is its a durable engine that generally doesn't suffer from any major issues until the mileage gets wayyy up there. Stuff like injectors and what-not is dirt cheap compared to anything 6.x. Those are diesels to stay away from unless you have a real need for one, or comfortably deep pockets. I've owned or own all of them. Currently a 7.3 idi, a 6.0 F350 dually, and a 6.7 F350 fleet side. Those last two can eat you alive on repair costs.

My Ambo is a 1992 and I bought it 2 yrs ago with 104k on it. No rust on the cab, the box is aluminum, and the frame is in excellent shape. It had new tires, the tranny was recently rebuilt, and the box was 90% of the way camperized enough to make me happy. A few sensor issues here and there, probably cost me less than $100 total, and it was good to go.

Two years and 10k miles later it's 4x4, locked front and rear, rolling on 37" double beadlocks, and turbo charged.


That is pretty sweet. How is the driving experience? Do you remember what sort of fuel economy you saw prior to the 4x4 conversion? I will probably be putting a lot of highway miles on mine, so driver comfort and reasonable MPG is a concern.

A quick search turned this up: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemID=136&acctID=3006 Might be promising?
 

cjken

Explorer
Tom.
That is looking sick
Any updates on your thread?
Hope you are getting some good use out of it!
 

tgreening

Expedition Leader
That is pretty sweet. How is the driving experience? Do you remember what sort of fuel economy you saw prior to the 4x4 conversion? I will probably be putting a lot of highway miles on mine, so driver comfort and reasonable MPG is a concern.

A quick search turned this up: https://www.govdeals.com/index.cfm?fa=Main.Item&itemID=136&acctID=3006 Might be promising?

I drive it almost every day. :)


Fuel economy didn't change much after the conversion, surprisingly. I could get 14-15 highway, 11-12-ish city.

The turbo really killed it though. Doing about 12 or so on the highway now, but I haven't really tuned it properly since I added it. Kind of just putting it off because I'm thinking of replacing all my injectors and putting a new injection pump on that can take better advantage of the turbo. Pretty sure once I get that sorted and tuned I can get back up in that 14-15 range, which given that it weighs 10.5k I figure isn't that bad.
 

Bikersmurf

Expedition Leader
They came out till 2003, and unless it's new, I'd take a older reliable vehicle over one that's a few years newer any day. Beyond a certain age it's more about condition and maintenance than year.

My ambo is a 97 and my 4x4 is a 74... Both have been extremely reliable, more so than our 08.
 

86cj

Explorer
David,
The owners I talked to say the Pro Access panels don't leak, and are high quality fiberglass, keep looking I have seen many on a 1500 AWD.
GM IFS Quigley 4x4 or factory AWD Van (easy bolt in low range) are at least as good or better than the Euro Vans Unit-body and strut suspension designs and their capability off road.
The GM vans provide the most important Expo type need, rock solid reliability. I will gladly take a GM LS engine into the back country, just the way it came from the factory (no repair list) just quiet and clean.
 

Bikersmurf

Expedition Leader
X2 I'd trust my SBC to take me just about anywhere. It's also where it pays to keep fairly close to stock. Stock it's well mannered and reliable... the more extreme the build, the better the chance that some part will fail.. KISS :D
 

DavidAlex

New member
I think it's back to Square One for me, unfortunately. I finally found the parking regs for my HOA and it looks like commercial/cargo/camper vehicles are not permitted to be parked in my lot. (Although passenger variants of the same vans are allowed, so the rule seems pretty classist to me.) Now I have to figure out how much effort and expense it will be to have offsite parking... Or the effort and expense to find a passenger van that I can reasonably claim is not a camper.
 

luthj

Engineer In Residence
I think it's back to Square One for me, unfortunately. I finally found the parking regs for my HOA and it looks like commercial/cargo/camper vehicles are not permitted to be parked in my lot. (Although passenger variants of the same vans are allowed, so the rule seems pretty classist to me.) Now I have to figure out how much effort and expense it will be to have offsite parking... Or the effort and expense to find a passenger van that I can reasonably claim is not a camper.

If it has a bench seat and is a normal height roof I would argue its a passenger van with some extra storage. As always with HOAs, your best bet is to get something in writing before you buy. Maybe take a few photos/examples to your HOA and get their judgment?

A lack of external logos, and camper equipment goes a long way.
 

wjeeper

Active member
Oh man I can't tell you how much I loathe and despise HOA's! Always a bunch of kill-joys! I bet the one I am currently living in right now hates my constant use of grinders and welders :sombrero:
 

DavidAlex

New member
Oh man I can't tell you how much I loathe and despise HOA's! Always a bunch of kill-joys! I bet the one I am currently living in right now hates my constant use of grinders and welders :sombrero:
TBH, mine is not too bad. No one really complained when I spent like three weekends in a row replacing a head in the parking lot, with all the tools and strewn parts that entails. I don't really know if anyone would be bothered by a well-kept panel van in the parking lot, but offsite parking in my area starts at $75/mo so it's definitely a consideration.
 

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