Is the Ranger the Hilux we've been wanting?

[Deleted member 9101]

How about those old Toyota RV's!? Always thought those dually's were cool with the full floater axles.....

My grandparents had one when I was a kid. They absolutely hated it after one road trip from Florida to Canada. Evidently it was cramped, under powered, and rode like excrement.

They sold it and bought a class C, built on a Chevy van.

 

[plainjaneFJC]

No..
I was referring that in NA you’re limited to full-size trucks if you want real world load capabilities.





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The full size here blows away a hilux in load capability.

 

[shade]

The full size here blows away a hilux in load capability.

A full size should have an advantage in payload and towing capacities over a mid size pickup. Looks like the wimpiest F-150 has the same payload capacity as the maximum of the Ranger, with F-150 capacities going up significantly from there. Makes sense to me.

2020 Ford® F-150 XL Truck | Model Highlights | Ford.com

The 2020 Ford® F-150 XL offers a 3.3L V6 EcoBoost® engine with an electronic 6-speed transmission with tow/haul mode, Rear View Camera with Dynamic Hitch Assist and more.

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Towing capacities for mid size trucks seems fine to me. Though interrelated, I think towing at max capacity can stress the entire truck more than carrying the maximum payload.

 

[shade]

My grandparents had one when I was a kid. They absolutely hated it after one road trip from Florida to Canada. Evidently it was cramped, under powered, and rode like excrement.

They sold it and bought a class C, built on a Chevy van.

Someone recently posted a build thread on one, with significant upgrades. It took a lot of work, but the end result looked nice.

 

[nickw]

A full size should have an advantage in payload and towing capacities over a mid size pickup. Looks like the wimpiest F-150 has the same payload capacity as the maximum of the Ranger, with F-150 capacities going up significantly from there. Makes sense to me.

2020 Ford® F-150 XL Truck | Model Highlights | Ford.com

The 2020 Ford® F-150 XL offers a 3.3L V6 EcoBoost® engine with an electronic 6-speed transmission with tow/haul mode, Rear View Camera with Dynamic Hitch Assist and more.

www.ford.com

Towing capacities for mid size trucks seems fine to me. Though interrelated, I think towing at max capacity can stress the entire truck more than carrying the maximum payload.

That's an important point. Towing vs load carrying ability. A vehicles ability to propel/tow vs carry/haul a load have different requirements. Pulling 3k vs hauling 3k both require same size brakes and general driveline durability since the gross weight is the same, but hauling that weight will put way more stress vertically on axles, springs and frame. But since rigs can tow WAY more than they can haul, I think you are spot on....

I also think this is the reason you'll see many cruisers with full floating axles and HD housings even though they don't have massive tow ratings, they do carry quite a bit given the size of the axle (R&P) and are likely limited by this axle weight capacity more than the ability to pull (larger R&P)...

That link is very strange.....it says "...offers a 3.3L Ecoboost...", which doesn't exist.

 

[Deleted member 9101]

Someone recently posted a build thread on one, with significant upgrades. It took a lot of work, but the end result looked nice.

If you were to drop a Chevy 4.3 under the hood, it would probably be exponentially better...lol.

 

[shade]

That's an important point. Towing vs load carrying ability. A vehicles ability to propel/tow vs carry/haul a load have different requirements. Pulling 3k vs hauling 3k both require same size brakes and general driveline durability since the gross weight is the same, but hauling that weight will put way more stress vertically on axles, springs and frame. But since rigs can tow WAY more than they can haul, I think you are spot on....

I also think this is the reason you'll see many cruisers with full floating axles and HD housings even though they don't have massive tow ratings, they do carry quite a bit given the size of the axle (R&P) and are likely limited by this axle weight capacity more than the ability to pull (larger R&P)...

That link is very strange.....it says "...offers a 3.3L Ecoboost...", which doesn't exist.

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Looks like someone had too much coffee during a cut & paste session at FoMoCo.

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Ford 3.3L Ti-VCT engine specs and information. The 3.3L V-6 replaced the 3.5L for the 2018 model year. The smaller 3.3L V-6 is both more powerful and more fuel efficient than the previous engine, producting up to 290 horsepower and 265 lb-ft of torque while earning mid-20 MPGs.

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[shade]

If you were to drop a Chevy 4.3 under the hood, it would probably be exponentially better...lol.

I recall a new rear axle, and maybe a diesel up front. I'll look for it later.

 

[calicamper]

It does look like the trend is to have a fuse in the frame to avoid the classic bed pinning doors closed after being hit from behind. Back in the day some really ugly truck accidents had occupants pinned in the cab due to the bed sides shoved past the back of the cab pinning the doors closed. This frame bend does look like a crash design. Tow ratings probably don’t mean much off pavement. A 2500-3000lb trailer dropping off a ledge could probably shove from behind enough to cause loads like a rear ender.

I find it interesting the examples are all behind the passenger seating both in the trucks and the LC.

 

[DorB]

The full size here blows away a hilux in load capability.

You’re totally missing the point.
We all agree (I guess..), that a Tacoma/equivalent size pickup in NA are not sufficient in load carrying spec, but the size is much more practical for off road use regarding handling challenging terrain, and maneuvering.
I don’t need and don’t want more then 1ton payload, if you carry more then that, this conversation in irrelevant for you.
For those who want that extra weight carrying ability without the disadvantage of a full size, then a mid size truck with sufficient load capability and resemble MPG, hanse a small capable diesel.. is just what they need.
And that truck category doesn’t actually exist in NA, but very common worldwide.





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[DorB]

What was the difference between the old minitrucks pre 85' (SFA) and 85'-94' and the hiluxes then? I thought they were the same except some minor interior things and engine options?

Hilux was sold with live front axle until 1997, so naturally it had some improvement over the older versions.
After 1997 there are even more changes.

Most of the changes where made in the late models (1990+)
when I want to order non OEM parts online for my 1997 diesel Hilux in need to look for Africa/Australia/Europe spec.
Some differences:
Slotted brake rotors, bigger caliper(what you call V6 caliper)
Gearbox and transfer shaft splines.
I think that even the rear axle is slightly wider.
Rear wheel bearing, Stronger Rear 3td member as standard (E-locker)
Gusseting to the front axle and probably some more.

All ״minor”, but as a whole package it’s different, so you cannot refer to them as interchangeable parts and need to check specifically for every part.


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[tacollie]

Personally I think 1600lbs is fine for a midsize. That's similar to many full-size half tons. I just want it to hold up. I feel the Colorado and Tacoma wear out fast. The Ranger is to new to know. I am curious about Ranger mpgs with a 2" lift and 33s. My 5.7 Tundra gets the same milage as my 2nd gen Tacoma did with 33s.

 

[Todd780]

Personally I think 1600lbs is fine for a midsize.

Agreed. My f-150's payload is 1,800 so 1,600 seems pretty good to me for a mid size truck.

 

[shade]

Personally I think 1600lbs is fine for a midsize. That's similar to many full-size half tons. I just want it to hold up. I feel the Colorado and Tacoma wear out fast. The Ranger is to new to know. I am curious about Ranger mpgs with a 2" lift and 33s. My 5.7 Tundra gets the same milage as my 2nd gen Tacoma did with 33s.

If it's an honest 1600, that'd work for me. My Tacoma is rated at around 1250 lbs (Off-Road package), and would hit the rear bump stops on the highway with a modest load. It wasn't really noticeable from the driver's seat, but it was obvious when sitting in the rear. People kept flashing their headlights at me for some reason, too.

I haven't experienced any durability issues. After seven years, the junk suspension is holding up well in a stack in my backyard. I should probably leave it in the bed of a sagging 2nd gen. They aren't hard to find.

 

[tacollie]

I should probably leave it in the bed of a sagging 2nd gen. They aren't hard to find.

It's pretty easy to find a sagging rear end on any Toyota ?

It's why I always plan OME suspension into my vehicle budget.