Is this thing legal?

Lynn

Expedition Leader
I was under the impression it was pretty easy to import anything over 15 years old.

There is no law against right-hand-drive. Driving one may not be a good idea. Makes it hard to pass on the freeway, for one thing, since you have to pull all the way into the other lane before you can see if it's clear to pull into the other lane...
 

Winky

Adventurer
PhulesAU said:
If right hand drive was ilegal, you wouldn't get any mail.
Good point:oops: . I thought that was some sort of exeption deal since it is always government vehicles. Where I live (the wilds of n. Illinois) the mail lady sits on the passenger seat of her civic. I suppose I'll take this this moment to thank all the good folks of the US Postal service.. tuff job and like Newman says "The mail never stops."

Josh
 

Andrew Walcker

Mod Emeritus
Josh, not really sure what to tell you about it being legal. If it has a valid registration in the state it is located, and the state you live in has no problem with the transfer, than it's legal enough. If you want to post it up on www.d-90.com, you will get a lot of feed back there. Good luck and let us know if you are the lucky winner! :wings:
 

Winky

Adventurer
Lynn said:
I was under the impression it was pretty easy to import anything over 15 years old.

There is no law against right-hand-drive. Driving one may not be a good idea. Makes it hard to pass on the freeway, for one thing, since you have to pull all the way into the other lane before you can see if it's clear to pull into the other lane...


That's a good point on passing. Anyone else have any insight on driving a rhd vehicle?
josh
 

Winky

Adventurer
Andrew Walcker said:
. Good luck and let us know if you are the lucky winner! :wings:


No sir not me. One day soon I hope to own a Defender... I don't need to tell you all about how beautiful they are... ever since "All gods must be crazy" I have wanted one... I wish they could have made them compliant back in the 90s and still imported them. It makes me sick when I look in the back of UK magazine and see these selling for nothing. Were Land Rover to take notice of the success of the JK 4 door and start importing these again.. I would be first in line to buy one. Who am I kidding.. they would probably just screw it up and bastardize it like the LR3 (no offence).

Josh
 

Andrew Walcker

Mod Emeritus
jjwinky said:
No sir not me. One day soon I hope to own a Defender... I don't need to tell you all about how beautiful they are... ever since "All gods must be crazy" I have wanted one... I wish they could have made them compliant back in the 90s and still imported them. It makes me sick when I look in the back of UK magazine and see these selling for nothing. Were Land Rover to take notice of the success of the JK 4 door and start importing these again.. I would be first in line to buy one. Who am I kidding.. they would probably just screw it up and bastardize it like the LR3 (no offence).

Josh

:iagree: :clapsmile
 

overlander

Expedition Leader
How about NO! This is an often discussed to death topic on D-90, of which you can find every out of the box concept discussed. There are 3 different kind of market classifications: white, grey and black. White means it was built to meet US spec and legally imported as a production vehicle. Grey means it wasn't, but was made to be after the fact, and legally inspected and authorized by the BIG 2 federal agencies: EPA and DOT. Black means it was slipped in, not federally compliant and a big risk. Taking a series frame, and swapping everything to include the vin plates, is illegal. federal offense. I can see in this picture that his "defender" has coil springs, not leaf as originally. My guess is he either coiled the series spring, or swapped the vin (marginally wrong and federal offense wrong respectively). DOT strictly prohibits the importation of RHD vehicles-period. So this was most likely built from parts, or brought in technically illegally. States may or may not comply with all or some of EPA and DOT regulations. If you bought a black market vehicle, which this is, and you try to register it in another state other than the state he successfully bamboozled, then you face the risk of having the state DOT give you the finger on inspection for registration.

Don't get me wrong, it makes me sick that there aren't more defenders here, and I can TOTALLY empathize with anyone wanting to roll the dice and buy a black market defender that got a US state title. But be clear, you are rolling the dice. If you don't ever plan on moving, and the title is in the state you are already living in, and you never plan to sell it, ever, then I say go for it. Also, if you are ok with risking $50-$100k on a purchase that may get denied for registration post-purchase, again go for it. But consider this, if the EPA or DOT find out, what normally happens is they seize the vehicle and crush it. And no amount of But, But, but... will stop it.

I have learned all this from many others (1st hand and 2nd hand info) in my enormous research prior to buying my 110. After all that, in the end, I ponied up and bought an NAS 110 with a legal vin.

Btw, the 15 year rule is for Canada; we have a 25 year rule...again, sucks for us. good news is we are only a year or 2 away from the first production years for defenders.

got to east coast rovers website, as they are the SME's on defenders in the US, and spell it out quite significantly on their website. http://www.eastcoastrover.com/


Given all that, it is a nice 110. break my heart to see it crushed. If you live in NC (I do!) then go for it, and don't publicly bragg about your vehicle. If you go NAS like I did, then bragg on, cause you're legit.
 

24HOURSOFNEVADA

Expedition Leader
I drive a right hand drive cruiser around daily. The biggest adjustment was the turn signal indicator. I would try to cancel the signal after a turn and miss since it was on the other side of the column. my 1980 HJ45 was legally imported into the US and currently has valid registration and a NV title. besides being easy to drive, it's a blast. Passing in the fast lane is no issue.


There is alot of misinformation out there regarding importing and right hand
drive vehicles. Theres a thread about my ride in the cruiser section.
 

aricea

New member
Josh -

I've driven RHD Land Rovers here in the States for the last 6 years. Learning the gearbox with my left hand took a little getting used to, but sitting on the wrong side of the truck was only a bother on my very first drive. It is true that passing on a two-lane road is a bit more dangerous in a RHD vehicle, but I find that in a Land Rover the frequency of this need doesn't occur very often. When you are on a 4 or 6 lane highway or when you are off in the woods, the RHD is not an issue at all.

Oh, and as for the turn-signal stalk issue reported by the RHD Land Cruiser owner, Land Rover turn signal stalks are located in the conventional location on the left hand side of the steering column.

Good luck if you decide to bid. That's a very good looking truck.

- - - Aric
 

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