It’s A Bad Thing (?) To Allow Scout Motors’ to sell cars directly to customers !

AbleGuy

Officious Intermeddler
Oh no! While it perhaps might save the buyer some moollah, it seems that it’s a bad thing to allow the manufacturer of an automobile to sell that automobile directly to the consumer!

Because….allegedly, this different (possible cost savings) direct sales model would ultimately be bad for the consumer.

Or would it?

What do you think?

Would you buy a vehicle directly from a manufacture without having a fully staffed and fully equipped car dealership available to act as a middleman in the deal to “protect you better” ?


Read on:

“Scout Motors’ decision to sell cars directly to customers triggered fierce backlash from franchise dealers, highlighting long-simmering tensions between traditional retail networks and emerging direct-to-consumer business models.

The clash sharpened in Colorado, where the state Motor Vehicle Dealer Board’s decision to grant Scout a dealer license unsettled established dealers, while raising broader questions about the future of auto retailing.” (This is from the below article)

https://autos.yahoo.com/policy-and-environment/articles/us-auto-dealers-drags-scout-171509642.html

US Auto Dealers Drags Scout Motors to Court Because It Is Selling Cars Directly to Customers​

Wed, December 31, 2025 at 10:15 AM MST
Scout Terra Concept.

Image Credit: Scout.

This has to be one of the most charged debates in the U.S. auto industry this year. Scout Motors’ decision to sell cars directly to customers triggered fierce backlash from franchise dealers, highlighting long-simmering tensions between traditional retail networks and emerging direct-to-consumer business models.

The clash sharpened in Colorado, where the state Motor Vehicle Dealer Board’s decision to grant Scout a dealer license unsettled established dealers, while raising broader questions about the future of auto retailing.

A New Sales Model Meets Old-Guard Resistance​

Scout Motors is a Volkswagen Group-backed EV brand. The company deliberately pursued a sales approach more commonly associated with Tesla, Rivian, and Lucid.

Unlike conventional manufacturers that rely on independent franchise dealers to sell and service vehicles, Scout intends to manage everything from reservations to delivery through its own facilities and online platform. That model promises transparent pricing, streamlined transactions, and a more controlled experience for customers.

Scout Terra Concept.

Image Credit: Scout Motors.

But dealers see a threat to the industry’s longstanding franchise system, which they argue has underpinned local economies, provided guaranteed service networks, and protected consumers.

On a recent episode of Inside Automotive, industry veteran Mike Maroone, CEO of Mike Maroone Auto and former AutoNation executive, described Colorado’s regulatory approval as a “circumvention of the traditional franchise system” that undermines dealer investments and protections established over decades.

He dismissed Scout’s claims of operating separately from its corporate parent, Volkswagen, using a familiar saying to make his point: “If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck, it’s a duck.”

Maroone’s critique reflects a fundamental dispute about corporate structure and brand identity. Scout insists that it is a distinct brand with its own business model, but dealers counter that financial backing from Volkswagen and deep operational ties make that distinction superficial. They argue that allowing a manufacturer-backed brand to bypass the dealer network sets a worrying precedent that could unravel protections franchisees rely on.

An Existential Battle for the Franchise System​

Scout Traveler Concept.

Image Credit: Scout.

The Colorado decision is especially significant because the state boasts one of the strongest electric vehicle markets in the country, with roughly 27 percent of all vehicle sales being electric. Federal and state incentives have helped fuel demand, though shifts in incentive structures have recently moderated growth. Even in a strong market, dealers feel pressured as new direct sales approaches gain regulatory footholds.

Maroone has proposed that dealers consider a multipronged response that could include litigation, negotiation, and political advocacy. He underscored the value of dealer associations in unifying opposition and leveraging political capital to defend the status quo. In his view, the threat is existential rather than theoretical, with manufacturer-owned direct sales potentially eroding the economic foundations of independent dealers.

The friction goes beyond Colorado. Dealer groups nationwide, including the National Automobile Dealers Association, have pledged to challenge Scout’s direct-to-consumer strategy in courts and statehouses across the country. These challenges echo earlier disputes over Tesla and other electric vehicle makers that have similarly eschewed franchise networks, testing state franchise laws that were drafted long before internet-based sales were possible.

In some states, dealers have already escalated their opposition into litigation. For example, in Florida, Volkswagen and Audi dealers filed a lawsuit claiming Scout’s direct sales violated state law by accepting deposits for vehicles not yet in production. They contended that taking deposits constituted sales under state definitions and sought injunctions to halt the practice. The dispute underscored how legal interpretations of sales activity vary widely across states.

A Battle Over the Future of Car Buying​


Scout’s supporters argue that the direct model aligns with evolving consumer expectations shaped by online retail and digital services. They contend that eliminating intermediaries can reduce friction and cost while offering buyers a more transparent experience. Scout’s leadership has expressed optimism about consumer demand for its Terra pickup and Traveler SUV, even as dealer pushback grows.

At its core, the conflict encapsulates a broader industry transformation. Traditional dealers emphasize their local economic impact and service capacity. Direct-to-consumer proponents highlight efficiency and modern customer engagement. As Scout and similar brands expand, the legal, economic, and political wrangling will likely continue, shaping how Americans buy vehicles in the decades ahead.

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It’s the same argument used in every industry. If something is new and better but threatens the financial wellbeing of the established businesses it is always attacked under the guise of “protecting the consumer” when in reality it’s just protecting business bottom lines. No one wants to sit at a dealership and argue numbers with some kid in some kind of stupid ritual when you could just pay the price advertised and drive away with a vehicle.
 
Dealers can shove it. Not met one that I’ve benefitted from having in my life. Talk about bloat. There’s a much better way for manufacturers and consumers to be in relationship than with a grubby dealership in the middle. And don’t get me started on service departments. Talk about consistently earning a reputation as dishonest, I don’t know how it’s possible for them to persistently reinforce a generalization but every chance I’ve seen for them to break with the pattern and show some integrity they fail to do it. If I never step foot in a dealership again I won’t be disappointed. Medicine is this way too. Prices are through the roof because 9 unnecessary middlemen have worked out a way to make products pass through their hands and that’s how a roll of gauze costs $147 at the hospital.
 
I can only think of one positive car buying experience with a dealer in the last 20 years. Some have been better than others, but with the exception of one dealer, they have all had various levels of frustration and anxiety. I have a Scout reservation right now, and I’m curious to see how things play out in the next year.
 
We only have the recent experience of last week in buying a New Vehicle to draw on. So my recollection may be a little fuzzy. It is a free country and the builder should be able to sell directly to the consumer. There are advantages and disadvantages to both ways of doing this.

If the buyer has questions they cannot hide behind the statement "I need to check with the manufacture!" You are the manufacture!

You have the manufacture to see what may have broke, when a problem arrives. They can not get out of blaming the middle man, they have no one besides themselves to blame but themselves.

Then the mentioned earlier statement you cut out the middleman, OR DO WE?

Either way you will want a person to take your order or explain to you about what they have for options. Maybe with AI they can cut out the job of the middle man (person, I do not want to riffle any feathers). Well may I do!or do not really care!

The selling person we had was a dip *******! They had a vehicle we wanted, with what we wanted on it. We test drove it and the wife said she wanted it, as it had what she wanted. It is a 2025 model and we did not want a 2026. when we tell the sales person. He starts the run around; that one is already sold;
We have a different on of a different color and most of the equipment she wanted;
I said search and see what the holding company has near by; he found one in Colorado. read the list of options,
other then mud flaps which the dealer could put on. We say OK pending our physical inspection.
As we are waiting for a opening in the Finance Office. The sales person came back and said it was another $650.oo for shipping.
I pointed to the price we were quoted for the vehicle the same as the one we agreed to that was sold already. It had about $1,500.oo for shipping included. I said Deal Breaker. OK the sale person says he will pay the shipping. We get the licensing and paperwork finished.
We get through with the paper work as this is a cash deal give them a $500.oo deposit. We are told 3 days and the vehicle will be in.
We will have a check waiting upon the vehicle arrival and inspection.
We get a call a day later with everything we wanted but wrong interior. It was closer and we could get it the next day. NO not what we want!
We get a call and the vehicle will be in a day later. then we were promised.
One more day and one more call! This time the sales person wants us to come in on that day and pay for it in full. He will get a bonus, for sales in a time frame. We say no we will check out the vehicle first. Salesman not so happy. Not my problem!

Now see why we need to have sales people. If we bought it from a manufacture we could avoid the holding company and we should get the vehicle with hopefully less B. S.. Then again maybe not!

At this time we should get it on Monday the 5th. I am not holding my breath.

Because of this middle man we Wife and myself) had a number of laughs at the dealership and at home. The important thing is as long as we have the money in our hand we have the power, not them.

Is their any person that does not know what the holding company is? Check it out! In short, they are a second middle man. Manufacture $$$$$, Shipper $, Holding Company $, Dealer$$, then you the consumer $$$$$$$.

All of this fun someone has to pay for it. $
 
I thought Ford was already doing this. My understanding is dealers don't make money selling cars. They make money financing loans and works on cars. People will still finance their cars. Cars will still need worked on. Dealers suck so I'm not shedding a tear.
 
I thought Ford was already doing this. My understanding is dealers don't make money selling cars. They make money financing loans and works on cars. People will still finance their cars. Cars will still need worked on. Dealers suck so I'm not shedding a tear.

Dealers even argue about where the money comes from.

Many look at the service side as only being there to fulfill the OEM requirement for warranty support and the only thing really worth investing in is sales.

Then Covid hit and there was no disputing who was paying the light bill... sales staff was only lurking about and helping parts count inventory for something to do but once the pipeline came back to actually getting new cars it swung back to service being a necessary evil.

Most owners come from the sales side and service isn't flashy...

I used to work on the service side of a dealer, my brother worked in service at a competing dealer. If managed properly they can be a huge help to local communities. If not... they are not.

I like product support for warranty and weird specific issues while on the road. Never had any but I like the idea of someone trained on my vehicle if I have something pop up.

I can rebuild the carburetor of my truck on the tailgate with a couple torx drivers in a ORielly parking lot, my wife's Bronco... not so much.

I'm kind of mixed, I absolutely hate buying vehicles anyway. Given that I doubt I will ever buy a new one and vehicles I actually like are fading to obsolesce from the dealer's point of view (my dd will be 10yo this year) I guess at the end of the day I won't really miss them and they won't miss me.

But then I am sure some day my wife will want a new Bronco...
 
It’s the same argument used in every industry. If something is new and better but threatens the financial wellbeing of the established businesses it is always attacked under the guise of “protecting the consumer” when in reality it’s just protecting business bottom lines. No one wants to sit at a dealership and argue numbers with some kid in some kind of stupid ritual when you could just pay the price advertised and drive away with a vehicle.
I’d prefer to just buy a new truck from Amazon and get it delivered to my door.
 
Dealers even argue about where the money comes from.

Many look at the service side as only being there to fulfill the OEM requirement for warranty support and the only thing really worth investing in is sales.

Then Covid hit and there was no disputing who was paying the light bill... sales staff was only lurking about and helping parts count inventory for something to do but once the pipeline came back to actually getting new cars it swung back to service being a necessary evil.

Most owners come from the sales side and service isn't flashy...

I used to work on the service side of a dealer, my brother worked in service at a competing dealer. If managed properly they can be a huge help to local communities. If not... they are not.

I like product support for warranty and weird specific issues while on the road. Never had any but I like the idea of someone trained on my vehicle if I have something pop up.

I can rebuild the carburetor of my truck on the tailgate with a couple torx drivers in a ORielly parking lot, my wife's Bronco... not so much.

I'm kind of mixed, I absolutely hate buying vehicles anyway. Given that I doubt I will ever buy a new one and vehicles I actually like are fading to obsolesce from the dealer's point of view (my dd will be 10yo this year) I guess at the end of the day I won't really miss them and they won't miss me.

But then I am sure some day my wife will want a new Bronco...
The manufacturer could easily compensate independent mechanics in areas to work on these. Have key shops that go thru some training and have some specific tools- this would be much cheaper than dedicated dealers and their associated costs
 
The manufacturer could easily compensate independent mechanics in areas to work on these. Have key shops that go thru some training and have some specific tools- this would be much cheaper than dedicated dealers and their associated costs

I am not sure "easier" is the correct word for that...

OMG would everybody involved absolutely lose their minds lol.
 

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