Jeep diesel discussion and the future.

SSF556

SE Expedition Society
Here she comes...reported by autoblog about 20min ago

I hope this finds its way to a wrangler.

http://www.autoblog.com/2012/12/05/jeep-grand-cherokee-headed-for-detroit-reveal-on-diesel-power/

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From the link:
Time to quit your bellyaching and pony up your pennies, Jeep fans. Chrysler has announced the Jeep Grand Cherokee will bow with a 3.0-liter V6 turbodiesel engine in the first quarter of next year. The engine yields 237 horsepower and an impressive 406 pound-feet of torque, and all that twist shows up from 1,800 rpm on. If you're counting, that's 16 lb-ft more than the 5.7-liter V8. Expect to see it bolted to a six-speed automatic transmission. As you may recall, this isn't the first time we've heard this news.

Jeep CEO Mike Manley let the news slip while speaking with Ward's Auto at the LA Auto Show, and said if buyer feedback is any indication, the new model should see healthy sales. Manley also pointed to the now deceased Liberty diesel, which the executive said that enjoyed a faithful, if small following. Odds are we'll hear more about pricing and fuel economy when the diesel Grand Cherokee gets an official unveil at the 2013 Detroit Auto Show.

Jeep did this in 2007 and 2008 with the Grand Cherokee.....this time around they are using a more obscure diesel engine, in a IFS/IRS platform, in a time when diesel is $4 a gallon, and the need for DEF......hopefully it works out for them.....

I am thinking a $5000 to $7000 premium for the diesel.....which will put it in the mid to high 40s.....

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Pushrod

New member
I don't think we will run out of hydrocarbons before the "government" bans its use. I have become impressed with the ability to run a gas engine on wood smoke. I first heard of this working in Africa where people were using Toyota engines to spin generators to supply electricity for their homes. Come to find out it is not a new concept at all, the European countries converted cars to burn wood smoke when they couldn't get gasoline during WWII. I haven't seen a pretty conversion yet as they seem bulky but it works. I was amazed to find several on youtube as home experiments.
There is a company in South Africa, the name is something like Susul don't remember how it's spelled, that is making liquid fuel out of coal and natural gas. They are making a ton of money fabricating these package plants and selling them to African countries to use to make fuel. The American president is intent on shutting down the coal industry in the USA and will hurt oil producers as much as he can to be known as the Green President.
 

Frank

Explorer
Jeep did this in 2007 and 2008 with the Grand Cherokee.....this time around they are using a more obscure diesel engine, in a IFS/IRS platform, in a time when diesel is $4 a gallon, and the need for DEF......hopefully it works out for them.....

I am thinking a $5000 to $7000 premium for the diesel.....which will put it in the mid to high 40s.....

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Diesel is on the rise more-so than it was 5 years ago.

Next stop, natural gas
 

reece146

Automotive Artist
Sure, then we can all starve to death because all arable land is used to produce bio-fuel to drive around aimlessly like we do now. LOL
 

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Sure, then we can all starve to death because all arable land is used to produce bio-fuel to drive around aimlessly like we do now. LOL

Untrue. Ethanol...Perhaps. But Bio diesel can be made from almost ANYTHING! Have a solar tube generating electricity? Don't know what to do with the algae you scrape out of it to keep your free electricity going? Process the algae into bio and dump it in your diesel. Bad crop of soybeans... or apples... or just about any type of matter..? It can be turned into bio diesel too. No need to create a new industry or take away from existing ones to create base material for bio diesel.
 

kickingprop

Observer
Yeha BioDiesel from waste is actually a fast growing technology now with lots of companies like Kior taking biowaste and converting it to usable fuel. The algae stuff is still a few years away from truly being economically viable but is a great foundation for a clean renewable fuel.
 

Mbogo

Observer
Sure, then we can all starve to death because all arable land is used to produce bio-fuel to drive around aimlessly like we do now. LOL
Agreed. Bio diesel may not be the ideal solution, but it's a step in the right direction for the very near future at least. Press the oil out of soybeans, and use the rest for food. And although algae can be used for food, not many people do (remember the "superfood" spirulina? YUK). The point is that dino juice, whether from petroleum, natural gas, or coal, is a non-renewable resource that is getting increasingly difficult and expensive to extract (in terms of economics, the environment, and human health). If we start taking steps toward moving away from these resources, energy companies will take notice and start spending R&D dollars on alternatives if they want to stay in business. A flux capacitor-powered Jeep? How cool would that be?
 

jronwood

Adventurer
NG fogger systems can and are being adapted to late model vehicals. I have a local farmer compressing his own from his gas well and powering ALOT of things on the farm, including diesel engines (gotta be careful as horsepower gains in a diesel will be 25%), looks promising,......until it is taxed to oblivion by the Guberment...... Farmers wife's 2007 Escalade chugging right along .

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Nomad_K

Adventurer
Diesel is on the rise more-so than it was 5 years ago.

Next stop, natural gas

This. Biofuels have their place, but on a national scale, and after a major drought this year, we really need to reexamine our balance of ethanol, traditional gasoline, and options for the use of natural gas. The technology to use NGV has been around for awhile, and we have the resources to power American transportation AND a good portion of our overall energy consumption with gas. That said, I am not holding my breath for a strategic energy policy to emerge from D.C. in the coming year.
 

squint

Adventurer
Natural gas has it's place in the future of our national energy strategy, but it has major limitations. While you can compress LP (propane) into tanks, this is not possible with natural gas. Also, fracking is terrible for the environment and the future of an even more precious resource: fresh water. The gas companies come into areas, pump in toxic chemicals to break loose the pockets of gas, and leave the surrounding communities with toxic drinking water. Hydrogen was a diversion by the energy companies to distract us from other, more viable and cleaner energy sources. It costs energy to make the hydrogen which negates the net gains. Biodiesel is the near future for sure until something better comes along. Producing it from algea, powered only from the sun is not still being developed, on the contrary, there are companies already doing it. In the late 2000's many gas stations and trucking companies were convinced to start using biodeisel and it gained momentum for a short period of time. In response, the auto manufacturers (most likely because of pressures from the energy companies) decided to void the warranty if biodiesel was used in their engines, even though experts say that when processed correctly, it has no detrimental effects on the engine. The energy companies, with their vast monetary resorces, then began a smear campaign to quell this revolution in it's infancy. The reasoning was the runoff from the crops was polluting the environment (which food crops like corn have always done, but no one ever put out a smear campaign against Monsanto). This essentialy postponed those efforts. Look at who benefits from from events and you will know the architect.
For myself, I know that when my 4.0 finally dies in the future, I will take a hard look at diesel as a replacement.
 
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Gaucho919

Adventurer
Funny the way this is going, got me thinking. I have gone on trips from Florida across the country several times with the final destination being Yellowstone Nat. Park and deviating different ways each time. First two times the vehicle was a ZJ with the front shafts pulled and on tiny street tires to be able to afford the gas, 22 avg mpg going 65 with the 5.2 V8. The last two times a '92 2wd Chevy s-10 with a 4.3 and a manual getting 27 mpg. But I always wished I had 4wd when going thru Utah, Arizona(white rim road in Canyonlands would have been nice) etc. Now I have a '92 Comanche that avgs 16 mpg loaded, the gas will be a lot harder to afford so I found a Comanche with a blown motor to re-power with a diesel and go back into the 20+ mpg range. I do see how we get a bit too indulged with swaps and modifications, I am guilty myself and wish to get out and travel more.

Trusty 2wd expedition rig
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