Jeep Liberty CRD questions

upcruiser

Perpetual Transient
I am beginning the task of researching a new daily driver and one of the vehicles that really intrigues me is the Liberty CRD. There isn't a ton of info on ExPo about them so I thought I would start a thread.

It sounds like a stock CRD can return high 20's easily on the highway and even a touch better chipped. As a daily driver this sound really appealing to me. I think it could be a great long distance mile eater, easy on the wallet at the pump, yet still be an adequate platform for a minimalist overlander with a modest lift, some protection and good tires.

What is your take on these? I know a few folks on here own them. What have you found in regards to plusses and minuses? How do they rate in durability with that high torque motor in that chasis? Would love to hear some first hand accounts and expert opinions.
 

PirateMcGee

Expedition Leader
I'm curious about this as well......

the only issue I have heard of is the torque converter not being up to the torque and going kawpowy. However, there is a aftermarket replacement.
 

trail-explorer

Adventurer
I test drove a few KJs and didn't like the ride - they were kind of stiff and choppy - like my TJ. I concluded it wouldn't make a decent long distance travel rig for me as compared to my TJ.

I am pretty sure the CRD was only available for 05 and 06.

The used ones I saw seemed a little high priced - $15-16k price range.
 

upcruiser

Perpetual Transient
I have ridden in the gasser versions before, was curious if an aftermarket lift with some proggressive springs would cure the ride. I have seen them on Craigslist anwhere from $10-$15k. Kelly Blue Book shows a 2006 with 50,000 miles to be worth just shy of $15k in excellant condition to a low of $13,500ish for poor.

I still think it is a fairly good option in the US market as people are looking to spend upward of $15k just to do a diesel conversion on an older vehicle. The other thing that impresses me is the 5,000lb towing capacity it is rated with. I am surprised more people aren't scooping them up.

Anyone know how hard it is to obtain engine related spares? I believe that was the only application of that engine offered in the US which makes me wonder if there are any nightmares or high cost items associated with upkeep.
 
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upcruiser

Perpetual Transient
And I guess another thing I find interesting is that alot of people are really into Scott's Forrester build when a CRD Liberty returns better mileage and inherently more capablity right from the get go. Not that there is anything wrong with a Forrester but it is a street car still despite how much rally type gear you strap on it with no low range or ability to lock the center diff even that I know of. Seems like this platform meets all of the objectives of that build with quite a bit more off pavement performance potential.
 

wardrow

Adventurer
A crd is a wounder full platform for a minimalist expo build. Add a Rtt and dual battery a fridge and call it good! :victory:
 

matthewp

Combat Truck Monkey
And, yes, a suspension lift DOES help the ride! I have a www.jeepinbyal.com adjustable Bilstein coilover lift that is sweet, and many can attest the Old Man Emu (OME) replacement coils do a good lift and ride improvement.

+1 to Tommudd's recommendation on the LOST Jeeps website.
 

bugnout

Adventurer
Be glad to answer any questions you might have. I bought mine new in 2005, Have just under 100k on it so far and still love driving it.

Lostjeeps is the best forum if your interested in KJ CRD.
 

Singbush

Observer
I love mine! That family is, however starting to out grow it. I can answer just about any question you may have. I spent a couple of years reading/researching on lostjeeps.com. Only problems I've had were premature turbo failure due to crappy emissions systems and the factory recall for the torque converter. Mine has never hit high 20's for mpg's but regularly sees low to mid 20's.

Shameless plug: mine is for sale in the for sale section. Well maintained for $9800 making it the cheapest one I know of.

Questions??

Mike
 

arcteryx

Adventurer
Shameless plug - Mine is for sale and has a warranty. See sig for details.

The CRD is a great engine. Tows great. I get 19-23 in 70/30 city/hwy. Chipping them will boost mileage 30mpg+ would be rare though.

The weakpoints are the TC and dirty EGR valve. There are aftermarket solutions for these. Well, actually, the european TC Mopar makes is awesome, and is now available, but wasnt when these were built.
 

shortbus4x4

Expedition Leader
And I guess another thing I find interesting is that alot of people are really into Scott's Forrester build when a CRD Liberty returns better mileage and inherently more capablity right from the get go. Not that there is anything wrong with a Forrester but it is a street car still despite how much rally type gear you strap on it with no low range or ability to lock the center diff even that I know of. Seems like this platform meets all of the objectives of that build with quite a bit more off pavement performance potential.

Foresters were built in greater numbers and for a longer time than a Liberty CRD so they are alot easier to find. Used Foresters are cheaper to purchase and maintain too than a CRD. I have driven a chipped Liberty CRD at a diesel shop I used to work at, it was a hoot. It really scooted, the owner and other mechanic drove it too, we all really liked it. I just bought a used 98 Forester to use as a commuter with these higher gas prices, I wish I could get a Liberty CRD but its just too expensive. I paid $800 for my Forester, doing the headgaskets on it will probably set me back another $500 or so in parts. I do the work myself. There is no way I could get a Liberty anywhere close to that. Diesel fuel is .20 cents a gallon more than regular unleaded where I am at so it doesn't really save you any on fuel costs either. Diesel engines cost more too if you have something go wrong with them, like injectors. Don't get me wrong I love diesels but for the US markets there just isn't alot to choose from unless you are looking for a big pickup truck. I wish they would put diesels in some smaller vehicles, like a Jeep Wrangler.
 

Overdrive

Adventurer
I bought a new '06 and was getting 19-20 city, and 23-25 mpg highway. I loved the torque/power. It was a second vehicle, so I really didn't drive it that much, and the reason I sold it was I found the front floor pan area too small for my feet to move around. It felt really cramped. (I like big, flat, open front floors. My Scout was fantastic in this regard.)
 
I went through the exact same process as you. I was looking for a jeep which i could use as a daily driver and also outfit to camp off road. I arrived at the Liberty CRD. I will give you a rundown of my experience both good and bad.

History
I purchased on with about 18K miles on it at the end of 2009. It was a lease vehicle and in very good shape. I sold it at the end of 2010 with 42K miles. S in one year i put 24k miles. Lots of daily driving and several trips. One trip i put on 3k alone. I live in the SW so going on trips tends to yield many freeway miles before you get to the trail. I used to have a 2006 LJ rubicon (which i could totally kick myself for selling). I missed the LJ rubicon so much, which factored into why i sold the liberty and went to a 4 door rubicon.

Modifications
Frankenlift II 2.5" lift - OME heavy springs front and back with OME shocks. Easy install - one afternoon. After install got firestone lifetime alignment. Did 3 alignments over the 24k i owned it.
BFG all terrain load range E - mainly wanted strong sidewalls for off road.
Skid plates front to back - all mopar. Went on real easy, about an hour total.

I always traveled with a maggiolina airland small XL on the top of the liberty. I absolutely love the airland. I highly recommend it. Made the weekend camping trip much better for us. It sets up in a snap and packs in a snap. You can keep all your sleeping stuff up there and it is always ready to go.

What i liked:
The engine is great and has really good torque. I loved the performance in the mountains, what a difference. It keeps speed at high elevation up steep grades better than most gas vehicles.

Off road it was very good for a liberty. I believe all the torque made a huge difference. It was like a tractor in 4WL and pulled over everything, never had an issue with wheel slip when opposite tires were in the air, such as when crossing a deep obsticle at an angle. The OME gave good clearance and i was able to go with people that had lifted TJ's with 33's and keep up with them no problem. Obviously you need to drive smart, which makes the most difference.

Road handling with the OME was very nice. When it was unloaded it was a pretty rough ride, but it cornered very well. Once fully loaded it drove very smooth. I took about two off road trips and 3k miles for the suspension to soften up a bit. At first it was very harsh IMHO.

What I did not like

The fuel economy is not what it is cracked up to be. My EVIC always said 24mpg with the lift, but calculated at the fuel pump and mileage it was 19-20mpg. Without the lift EVIC said 30mpg and at the pump it was 25-26mpg average. I attribute the difference due tire size change. With the factory setup my speedo would be about 4mph off. Once i put the larger BFG on i was only 1mph off. This was tested, by comparing to my old vehicle and drive to work, gps speed, and radar. All three told the same story. The only time i every pulled an actual 24mpg with the lift was when i used a diesel additive. But once you figure the cost of the additive, it was a wash with the MPG increase. Also with the additive i would get a CEL on a rare occasion on downhill grades. Dont ask my why but it happened on three separate trips. When I skipped the additive it never happened.

What i personally think killed the mileage was the transmission program and TC. I used to hate driving it at 55mp. It would never goto 5th gear and constantly let the engine rev up and down. I have a 26mile one way commute on 50mph road I go through 5 traffic lights (all in one short section). If i went 62mph it would shift into 5th and lock the TC. That is when i got best fuel economy. The problem is that around 55mph it was always searching for something. It drove me absolutely nuts. On the Freeway it was ok, but passing it would downshift and redline and you wouldn't accelerate. I found you had to ease into the throttle so it would stay in the same gear and it would accelerate just fine. I absolutly hated all of the shifting. I read about the TC changes and chips that fix it, but in the end it just adds more cost.

At 35k miles i started to notice clunking in the front end. with the lift kit, the ball joints go. again you can buy aftermarket arms with replaceable ball joints. I also noticed that I had a CV joint starting to go. I attribute that to off road and the CRD's torque. Also i noticed the rear main seal on the engine started to go, and then later the front started to leak. This was due to the crankcase vent fouled with oil. Too much CC pressure. Once i fixed/cleaned that, the front stopped leaking, but the rear continued. It was a very small leak. About 2 drips per week, but enough indication it was not going to last to 100k or 200k like i planned. Also i noticed around 30k miles that the differential input seal started to develop a leak as i noticed the slight amount of wetness at the housing. On one of my last trips it really started to leak and at that time i noticed the seal on the t-case started to go. This is due to incorrect pinion angles. Once you install the OME lift you are about 2-3deg out of spec for that drive shaft setup. I could not find anyone who could correct this. At 37K miles i noticed that my engine mount on the passenger side was split. I would hear a clunk on acceleration, looked it up and others had the same issue. When i looked at it, it was torn.

So in the end, if you want to keep it running with a lift, expect to correct issues for it was not designed to handle. I used to work for chrysler in college doing hot weather and durability testing. During that time i drove many many jeeps with diesels and they were fantastic. They only thing was that the were all for export - different tuning/calibration. The north america tuning for the CRD was all wrong IMHO. it could have been executed much better, but the emission laws created issues. All of the emissions components were an afterthought on the 05-06 liberty. If you were to drive an export only 2008 to present you would notice a difference in performance and fuel economy.

One thing to mention. I used THULE cross bars with my airland on the factory rails. I noitced that the factory rails started to get stress cracks at the interface between the aluminium tube and the plastic peice which attaches to the roof. I found this was an issue for others, and again you may be able to find an aftermarket one that would work better.


In the end i put a ton of miles on it but figured the cost was going to be too high to keep for a long time. The fuel economy difference between the liberty CRD and a 4 door rubicon is canceled by the difference in price between the two fuels. I now own a 4 door rubicon and get 18-19mpg ave and spend less per month than I did for the liberty. Also my rubicon is stock and has better off road performance. the rubicon also has much more interior space as well. I figure by the time you find a used liberty CRD and try and get it to perform as well as a used stock rubicon you will be almost equal in price. Another consideration is the service costs are less with a gas rubicon than the CRD. CRD uses more oil and a weird grade which is not always available 0-w50. The air filter gets dirty faster due to turbo. More filters to change - fuel filter, turbo solenoid valve filter. Its true that the rubicons 3.8l is sluggish compared to the CRD, but all of the hassle of the CRD was not worth it for me. If you dont need 4 doors, you may want to consider a LJ rubicon. A good used 2006 LJR will not be that far off in price as a 2006 liberty CRD.

My plan for to mount the airland on the rubicon will be to utilize the front runner roof mount system. 3 cross bars and 4 tracks that will go the entire length of the roof. I plan on making a braket for the front cross bars and a strut for the the rear section of the roof to help distribute load to the body.

This is not meant to discourage, but consider the CRD is very niche vehicle that has quirks. For me in the end a stock rubicon fit me better. I dont have to worry about aftermarket parts and what their effect will be on other components or systems will be. Its easier to maintain, and the top comes off! It is all around just much simpler for me.


Attached are pictures with my CRD setup.
 

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sorry if i have mistakes in my previous post but I typed it up as i was doing work around the house. feel free to ask any questions and hopefully i can clarify.
 

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