JKUR or Tacoma

@Comanche Scott Being a ford family, more than a few times it was said we're getting the raptor.. but because of a few limitations.. the raptor wouldn't fit in the garage and we're not leaving it on the street corner.. But found a local dealer selling a use 2012 Raptor for 34K. Wasn't our color, but at least I got the chance to sit in it. it's a little more than we're willing to deal with at this point in time.
 

Alphonse

Observer
Being as you are a Ford family you probably would not consider this, but Chevy has the Colorado ZR2 coming out. It has Front and Rear lockers and will be available with the Baby duramax diesel (385ft/lbs or something). Sounds like it might make a solid platform for what you want.
 

MOguy

Explorer
I have a Jeep 2001 Wrangler and a couple PUs (one is a Toyota) and a 4Runner. The Jeep is way cooler and much better off-road. I have taken my Jeep cross country but not with a family. The 4Runner is more comfortable and more roomy but is just another SUV (but a good one). My Jeep really isn't that bad on road even with a lift and larger tires. My pick ups are older so not really a fair comparison to a newer one but the only reason I want a pick up is to carry dirty or big stuff in the back.


Even 4 Door pickup seem crowded unless you have one of those massive cabs available on some full size trucks. With an SUV you can put stuff in the back. You will be able to reach it while you are on the go. Your stuff will also be better protected from the elements and it will be better secured when you are stopped.

A 4Runner will have more room than a newer 4 door Wrangler but it just isn't as cool. BUT a 4Runner can pull a larger trailer if that is something you may be considering down the road.
 

dado5

Member
I have been pondering this way more than I should. I think I am going to keep my ram since it is a great truck and then I still have a truck and get a jku. I have always wanted a jeep and might as well. I looked at my buddys 4runner yesterday and drove it, probably is the best vehicle but was too "blah" if you know what I mean. The deciding factor was when I was online looking at stuff there was a picture of a jeep on the computer screen and my 6 year old daughter walking by said exuberantly "DAD ARE YOU GETTING A JEEP" with a huge smile on her face. She never did that looking at a 4runner or taco!!

I was thinking of getting a rubicon, mild lift, 35's and then have a reliable exploration vehicle. Are the e-lockers as reliable as arb's? I could get a sport but then I will need new axles, lockers, don't have the transfer case, etc… Will I end up replacing the axles in the rubi if I stay with 35 max tires and don't do any crazy crawling?
 
@Alphonse Glad you suggested that.. but sorry to say we've had a chance to test drive the Chevy Colorado for 7 days while the Ranger was being worked on. Although the Colorado was used.. I hated it.. little 4 cycler engine couldn't pull anything.. and the seats, I could never get them adjusted to suit my needs.. which ended up hurting my back and we had to cut our trip short. Never again. Even with the New Ford ranger coming out.. we're turning elsewhere for a different vehicle. We're just not seeing anything small anymore.. Even the Tacoma is about 216 long and out garage limit is 200 thus we couldn't close the doors on the garage if the Tacoma was parked inside. This leads me to start looking at the Jeep. Either 2 or 4 doors.. even the 4 door is about 198 inches long and would have a small clearance to shut the garage doors.
 

MOguy

Explorer
I have been pondering this way more than I should. I think I am going to keep my ram since it is a great truck and then I still have a truck and get a jku. I have always wanted a jeep and might as well. I looked at my buddys 4runner yesterday and drove it, probably is the best vehicle but was too "blah" if you know what I mean. The deciding factor was when I was online looking at stuff there was a picture of a jeep on the computer screen and my 6 year old daughter walking by said exuberantly "DAD ARE YOU GETTING A JEEP" with a huge smile on her face. She never did that looking at a 4runner or taco!!

I was thinking of getting a rubicon, mild lift, 35's and then have a reliable exploration vehicle. Are the e-lockers as reliable as arb's? I could get a sport but then I will need new axles, lockers, don't have the transfer case, etc… Will I end up replacing the axles in the rubi if I stay with 35 max tires and don't do any crazy crawling?

I haven't heard complaints about the lockers in the Rubi. I bought my TJ before the Rubi came out and re-geared and added ARBs. If you are thinking about locking and going bigger get the Rubi to start with. Along with the selectable lockers you also get a lower 4LO.
 

Comanche Scott

Expedition Leader
Excellent combination of vehicles!

I have been pondering this way more than I should. I think I am going to keep my ram since it is a great truck and then I still have a truck and get a jku. I have always wanted a jeep and might as well. I looked at my buddys 4runner yesterday and drove it, probably is the best vehicle but was too "blah" if you know what I mean. The deciding factor was when I was online looking at stuff there was a picture of a jeep on the computer screen and my 6 year old daughter walking by said exuberantly "DAD ARE YOU GETTING A JEEP" with a huge smile on her face. She never did that looking at a 4runner or taco!!

I was thinking of getting a rubicon, mild lift, 35's and then have a reliable exploration vehicle. Are the e-lockers as reliable as arb's? I could get a sport but then I will need new axles, lockers, don't have the transfer case, etc… Will I end up replacing the axles in the rubi if I stay with 35 max tires and don't do any crazy crawling?

I think that is about the best combination of vehicles going! :beer:

Yes, the stock axles and lockers will work out fine for 35" tires, in the scenario you describe.
I'd suggest going with 4.10 gears from the factory, and you should be good to go. Install a good skid plate for the fuel tank, and for the transmission/engine oil pan before you go off road the first time.
This will save you from having to bang out the dents.
The damage in the below pictures was done before lift and tires. But I've dented the stock fuel tank skid plate, and scraped the transmission cross member on 35" tires with a 3" lift.
I now have an aluminum skid plate for the fuel tank, and an M.O.R.E. skid plate that helps protect the stock crossmember, along with the transmission and engine oil pan. :)

If you can swing for the new Recon, or a Hard Rock, that will net you a great front skid plate to protect the sway bar motor, and a competent set of sliders (along with a lot of other great upgrades).
 

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Kiriesh

Adventurer
I'm going to chime in with a probably unpopular opinion in this section. Having DD'ed both and current owner of both (I DD'ed my 08 JKU on 33's for about a year before going full trail rig on it and I currently DD and overland my tacoma on 32's) for your needs and given the fact that you're coming from a truck, I'd say Tacoma. The back seat is slightly larger than the jeep, and the interior is more "finished". The removable top is fantastic until you're driving to work at 7 in the morning in the pouring rain and you keep getting dripped on. The soft top is great until you realize during the 100 degree + heat wave that canvas is a terrible insulator. The solid front axle is great until you're doing a 10 hour + drive on crappy freeways and you lost feeling in your spine 4 hours ago. I love my JKU for putting around town and taking out to beat up on the trails on the weekends, but having switched to a nice IFS insulated truck for DD I don't regret it one bit. I've taken my truck all over the Sierras fly fishing (still starting out and pretty terrible but I have faith I'll get better). I've taken my taco stock over passes in CO and UT. My taco is just short of 2 years old and I've put nearly 36k miles on it between road trips, overlanding, and weekend trips for camping/hiking/fishing.

My Taco:

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My JKU:

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Living in harmony:

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Slowclimb

Observer
I just went through this same decision making process. Ended up with a jku for driving around close by. (My wife's daily driver)....then took a gamble on a Crew Cab z71 Colorado with a diesel. Mainly for long haul and overland use for my family of four and one dog. I went with the Chevy because of the diesel drive train (wish Toyota had one) and the increased payload compared to the jku. The downside is the limited after market for upgrades. But the 29 to 32 highway mpg is a pretty good offset. We'll see where that ends up after a lift and tires, but will still be way better than the taco our the jeep can do.

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zimm17

Observer
I had a built '08 v8 4runner with Icon coilover lift. I now have a JKUR on 35's. My brother has a built Tacoma. The jeep is my daily driver and have 2 small kids. I wouldn't have anything else. While I would not look forward to driving it across country, it's awesome off-road and in daily commuter life. Plus it's a complete toy that you can throw parts at, change it up, change tops, remove top, remove doors, etc. I'm never bored with it. If you plan to really off-road, or like to tinker, get the jeep. If you don't really care about modifying more than a bumper, winch, and coilover lift, get the taco or 4runner. My 4runner limited the trails I could go on, as I didn't have lockers and 285's are the max size tire even with trimming. The rubicon on 35's is head and shoulders better offroad.
 

eternus

Observer
He got out and said it rode very rough and felt nauseous. Never a single issue in mine. My buddy sold that Jeep not long after the trip because after riding in mine he hated his. AEV is not a good ride.

I'm just curious if you have a build post here or on another Jeep forum to detail your setup... your mentioning driving 80-90 MPH was what astounded me. I do alright, comfort-wise with my Metalcloak Game Changer light... but wonder if there is a magic bullet for not feeling like a white knuckle adventure when you go over 70 (or also how you do it without stopping for gas every half hour.)
 

eternus

Observer
my 6 year old daughter walking by said exuberantly "DAD ARE YOU GETTING A JEEP" with a huge smile on her face.

This.

I was reading through the whole thread before offering my advice, until I saw this post. My kids are 100% the reason I daily drive my JKU. I had a Tacoma, I traded it in for a Jeep and have loved it. That being said, the steering and handling and top end speed are as GetOutThere described. It isn't a safe, great vehicle for long road trips (IMO) but it is hella fun to drive, and when the top/doors come off... my kids are over the moon. (As am I.)

I talked, about a year ago, about switching back to a Tacoma because it drove nicer for longer drives and the kids just about flipped out. (My wife, unfortunately, liked the idea.) So... I continue to have fun in my Jeep. The nice thing about the Jeep over the Tacoma is it is SO EASY to modify on your own. I've never messed with suspension but had looked into it for my old Tacoma before getting the JKU and the work involved was not-insignificant. I did a Metalcloak lift over a weekend with a buddy and have loved it since the change. You will definitely want to go aftermarket on the suspension and some other items. I am honestly a bit pissed that Jeep pushes these out the door with some of the inferior hardware they use... stock suspension on the Sport is god awful.
 
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AgentOrange76

Adventurer
I looked at my buddys 4runner yesterday and drove it, probably is the best vehicle but was too "blah" if you know what I mean. The deciding factor was when I was online looking at stuff there was a picture of a jeep on the computer screen and my 6 year old daughter walking by said exuberantly "DAD ARE YOU GETTING A JEEP" with a huge smile on her face. She never did that looking at a 4runner or taco!!

x2 here. People probably called my dad crazy when he bought a Jeep as his daily with a 2 and 4 yr old, but lemme tell ya, that thing was the *******. I remember feeling like the coolest kid in the world when he would pick me and my brother up from school with the top down and we'd climb over the tub to hop in the back. 17 years later its been passed on to me and it still puts a big ole smile on my face whenever I see it and drive it. Sure, when you compare a Jeep to other vehicles its gonna lose. But that's not the point.
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Alphonse

Observer
I'm just curious if you have a build post here or on another Jeep forum to detail your setup... your mentioning driving 80-90 MPH was what astounded me. I do alright, comfort-wise with my Metalcloak Game Changer light... but wonder if there is a magic bullet for not feeling like a white knuckle adventure when you go over 70 (or also how you do it without stopping for gas every half hour.)

I don't have a build thread but should probably make one. I wasn't joking when I said be careful about your suspension set up, lol. My buddy has a 2011 4 Runner and we have taken wheeling trips together and swapped rigs he says my jeep rides nicer on the highway than his 2" lifted 4 runner wth 33" AT's. Not ragging on 4 runners they are great dependable rigs, but I would be willing to bet those saying their jeeps ride harsh have ignored most of what I'm about to say below.... (BTW My profile on JK-Forum has most of the basics of my set up, my handle on there is Biginboca)

That being said I would say the magic bullet for pleasant handling in a JK are:

high backspacing (I have preserved exact stock scrub radius on 37 x 13.5" tires by using 4.5" backspacing, which also makes ball joints and unit bearings last much longer as well as handle better). On 35's the AEV wheels will also do this with their 5.2" backspacing. Having correct scrub radius makes the handling much more stable at speed and makes steering effort lighter at parking lot speeds.)

4.2 to 5* of castor negates flighty feeling from lifting.

Proper tire pressure (chalk test) I'm running 25 psi up front and 26 in the rear on e rated tires. Most people run too much pressure.

Long and soft progressive (or multi rate) springs vs shorter stiff ones with less coils will make for a more plush ride. (I'm using synergy 3" springs which netted me exactly 3" up front)

Slightly firmer damping on the shocks to make up for the softer coils and soak up bumps at speed (fox reservoirs in my case)

Very high roll center (I raised my rear roll center about 7" with the highest rear trackbar bracket I could find, the AEV rear tower). Most lifts only raise the roll center 4 or 5". The higher your rear Trackbar mounts (more level) the less Side to Side jarring is transferred to the jeep frame over bumps at speed.

Exactly 3" lift with a Front Draglink Flip (raises the Trackbar and Drag Link exactly 3" also). This is important because if you have exactly 3" lift and a draglink flip which raises everything 3" you are back to stock steering geometry. (i.e. A 2" lift and no draglink flip is not as desirable steering geometry, neither is a 4" lift with a 3" drag link flip.). The factory set up the steering the way they did for a reason, why not try to mimic their geometry exactly when you lift? And really a JKU should have minimum 3" lift anyway they need the belly clearance, IMO.

I'm getting about 200 miles on a tank on trips at speed 80-90 with my 2011 3.8 and manual transmission (5.13 gears), so I am stopping for gas like every 2.5 hours. I should also mention that my tank is slightly undersized too because I had to reshape it a bit and lost a little capacity. (With 12" travel shocks the rear driveshaft shifts side to Side quite a bit at full travel with the high roll center, and my Driveshaft was contacting my fuel tank until I reshaped it.)
 
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