lexus GX470 vs land rover LR3,LR4

Goana

New member
anyone drive GX470? is it good for offroad use

Who would have thought my first post was going to be about our car!!!! My husband will be proud!

We drive a Prado V6 and found it to be a very capable, reliable vehicule and we do serious 4wheel driving here in Australia. We love it.

To the person who wrote
But still 5k dollars still pays for a bunch of repairs in my opinion

I'm not sure how much you go out and in what conditions you're driving but as far as I am concerned I'd spend double that to have a reliable car in our conditions.
 

lexwoody

Adventurer
I love my Gx. Toyota products are great! LR are great too, to look at that is. Reliable? Not at all. Maybe 2010's and up are better with the new owners making big changes with what doesn't work. I had the 04 Range (BMW) and it kept giving me problems: 3 front diff, 2 t-case, 1 Trans, and a new engine. It was alsome offroad. All of my problems happen in city/ fwy driving.

This is my GX. No problems and still runner strong.

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mcm4090

Explorer
On the other hand, over 50 years of Toyota automotive experience has culminated in the creation of the Lexus. It will be the finest vehicles ever built. Lexus will win the race because Lexus will do it right from the start.

I can't believe you posted the Lexus Covenant.
 

timmy!!!!!!!

Explorer
I'm not sure how much you go out and in what conditions you're driving but as far as I am concerned I'd spend double that to have a reliable car in our conditions.

Well in australia you are fortunate enough to have rovers that have diesels. You can do a lot of preventative maintence and a lot of upgrades to a rover in the states for 5k. A good example is the rover diff in extreme circumstance are known to blow their spider gears because it is a two pin design. Now for less thank 1k I can convert to a yota third with 4.11 gears and maybe an elocker which will allow you to be able to run 33s. Compare a 04 Discovery (around 8k) to an 04 GX470 (around 20k) that is the same year and it is near 12k dollar difference between the two vehicles in the current market :Wow1:. You can spend that 12k dollars on lockers, armor, preventative maintence and still have money left over to spend on college at a state school. In fact if I added up all of the money I have spent on rovers in the past 5 years ,parts and all, it would still be less than buying a used 04 gx470 that you would still have to spend money on the occasional repair.
 
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Ruffin' It

Explorer
All the PM in the world wouldn't have helped a single issue I had. I was as anal as a person could get. My dealer knew my dogs' names for God's sake - seriously.
In 12 months (I won't even go into the stuff I had go wrong before) I had to repair or replace:
Head Gasket ($800 +)
Valve seals ($660)
2 coils
Drive shaft - because Rover didn't put in a serviceable U-joint ($1,500)
Transfer Case rebuild
Re-seal front and rear difs
Rear axle seals
2 sets of Plug Wires (at $340/set not including installation)
Coolant res.
2 ABS wheel sensors ($600/each)
Complete brand new engine (well over $10,000 just for the parts - original died because an oil ring failure oblonged the cylinder wall)
Rebuild of new engine when the cam shaft exploded with only 1,500 miles on it
and more.
All this with only 72,000 miles on the car which I bought brand new.

It left me stranded 3 times in that 12 months - once in the desert in AZ where I had to miss a weeks worth of work and stay in a hotel while it was being fixed. And believe me, the warranty company was looking for any way they could to get out of paying for this stuff. If I didn't have every bit of documentation and everything done by a dealer and on time, I would have been up a creek. The vehicle was not abused, a fact that was agreed upon by the nazi warranty company when they sent out an inspector - three times. If there was anything out of place, they would have stuck me with the bill. I took very, very good care of that car and it was the most unbelieveable money pit. In fact, if I didn't have the warranty, I would have just walked away from it. The repairs would have cost more than the truck was worth. I sold it for a 156,000 mile Land Cruiser and feel the reliability of my vehicle has increased several fold. PM only helps if you are starting with a solid foundation. Besides, parts are CHEAPER on my Toyota than they were for my Rover. You'll save money in the long run on a Toyota everytime. You are fooling yourself if you think Rover is where the smart money is. No offense, but they have no resale value for a really good reason.


Well in australia you are fortunate enough to have rovers that have diesels. You can do a lot of preventative maintence and a lot of upgrades to a rover in the states for 5k. A good example is the rover diff in extreme circumstance are known to blow their spider gears because it is a two pin design. Now for less thank 1k I can convert to a yota third with 4.11 gears and maybe an elocker which will allow you to be able to run 33s. Compare a 04 Discovery (around 8k) to an 04 GX470 (around 20k) that is the same year and it is near 12k dollar difference between the two vehicles in the current market :Wow1:. You can spend that 12k dollars on lockers, armor, preventative maintence and still have money left over to spend on college at a state school. In fact if I added up all of the money I have spent on rovers in the past 5 years ,parts and all, it would still be less than buying a used 04 gx470 that you would still have to spend money on the occasional repair.
 

discotdi

Adventurer
ruffinit sounds like you had some real bad luck! but I would say the dealer knew your dogs' name because that is how he was sticking it to you! two sets of plug wires in a year? warranty? $1500 drive shaft, could have gotten a great HD with grease fittings for $500. no doubt you seemed to have some problems but that $16k is probably way off because you were paying too much. I realize you were illustrating that you Rover broke down a lot, but those prices-
crazy.
I have had the opposite experience with my LR's over the past 15 years and many Rovers.All have been very good except one 2001 model, it did need a new engine at 80k due to liner slipping. The only rover to leave me stranded did so after driving it about 600 miles with no Tbox fluid. I was on the way to the dealer to have it fixed.
BTW for all of the naysayers and uninformed the LR3 is better off road than a stock D1 or D2. And probably pretty darn close to a modified one.
Buy the GX470 and people will point and snicker on the trail, buy a LR and you will be admired, and make friends when you borrow their tools.:sombrero:
 

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
Well in australia you are fortunate enough to have rovers that have diesels. You can do a lot of preventative maintence and a lot of upgrades to a rover in the states for 5k. A good example is the rover diff in extreme circumstance are known to blow their spider gears because it is a two pin design. Now for less thank 1k I can convert to a yota third with 4.11 gears and maybe an elocker which will allow you to be able to run 33s. Compare a 04 Discovery (around 8k) to an 04 GX470 (around 20k) that is the same year and it is near 12k dollar difference between the two vehicles in the current market :Wow1:. You can spend that 12k dollars on lockers, armor, preventative maintence and still have money left over to spend on college at a state school. In fact if I added up all of the money I have spent on rovers in the past 5 years ,parts and all, it would still be less than buying a used 04 gx470 that you would still have to spend money on the occasional repair.

So to improve a LR, you have to UPGRADE to TOYOTA parts. and the Toyota retains it's value :smiley_drive:
Yes, you can upgrade to a Toyota third but then you have 100001 other parts that are still LR.

Spend a bit more at the start and never have to repair. I hear a lot of LR people putting Toyota parts in their trucks, never the other way around.



The only LR part that I've found useful is the Disco cupholder. LR makes a great cupholder.:coffeedrink:
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
Tyler's (Ruff'n it) experience is not really valid in this discussion, as he has not owned either of the two vehicles being considered here. And as for the dealer knowing his dogs, thats pretty understandable because Tyler is an extreme dog person. Its his business, his passion, and his love. So for clarity, Discovery II's have a range of known issues, that are generally resolvable in most cases, and have many happy owners. However, the Disco II and the LR3 have NOTHING in common other than the oval shaped logo....and even that is different. There are parts on the LR3 with the blue Ford logo in addition to the green Land Rover logo!

I will not say the LR3 is more reliable than the Lexus. I highly doubt it will be. However, it is larger in interior room, more nimble on the road, and significantly more capable off road. It is NOT more durable, and likely to be less reliable in fiddly ways, though they have proven to be very sound mechanically (except the bushings, which are crap).

Is the question of choice is about capability or durability? The answer differs depending on the question. There was a similar discussion on this forum last year, over here.

Generally speaking, though the Owner of this forum is supportive of the LR3's abilities, the vast majority of participants on ExPo are staunchly against the LR3, because it is not a simple vehicle. Their point is valid, but it is important to note that not a single person with a negative viewpoint regarding the LR3 has ever owned one.
 

78Bronco

Explorer
Having never owned either of these I would avoid both due to the complexity of their drivetrain. I'm sure they both wheel respectively and each have their flaws but trying to repair either vehicle in a remote off-highway situation would be futile without a factory test center.

I personally like levers that are connected to the driveline and the fewer electronics to go wrong, the better.

Why have you chosen between these two?
 

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
the GX470 has a relatively simple linked, solid rear axle/ifs setup. It's used in harsh conditions and field repairable.
They are used regularly in offroad conditions worldwide as well as UN duty (as the Prado)

The GX has levers connected to the drivetrain ;)
Besides the luxury features (which are still Toyota reliable) the GX is relatively simple and easy to work on.
 

Ruffin' It

Explorer
Just to be clear, those were prices charged to the warranty company *with the exception of the first set of plug wires and the valve guides). I paid the $100 deductable when appropriate, but most of that money was paid out by the warranty people. The second set of plug wires were free to me because the first set they installed were faultly from the factory.

I completely agree about the capabilities of the LR3, BTW. There is almost nothing that can touch and LR3 in stock forum. There is no question that stock to stock, they outperform the D I's and D II's.



ruffinit sounds like you had some real bad luck! but I would say the dealer knew your dogs' name because that is how he was sticking it to you! two sets of plug wires in a year? warranty? $1500 drive shaft, could have gotten a great HD with grease fittings for $500. no doubt you seemed to have some problems but that $16k is probably way off because you were paying too much. I realize you were illustrating that you Rover broke down a lot, but those prices-
crazy.
I have had the opposite experience with my LR's over the past 15 years and many Rovers.All have been very good except one 2001 model, it did need a new engine at 80k due to liner slipping. The only rover to leave me stranded did so after driving it about 600 miles with no Tbox fluid. I was on the way to the dealer to have it fixed.
BTW for all of the naysayers and uninformed the LR3 is better off road than a stock D1 or D2. And probably pretty darn close to a modified one.
Buy the GX470 and people will point and snicker on the trail, buy a LR and you will be admired, and make friends when you borrow their tools.:sombrero:
 

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