Looking for info on a lift

Herbie

Rendezvous Conspirator
Zuren, the Astro van body lift has the same issue with the fan shroud clearance. Do a search on AstroSafarivans.com and you'll see lots of pictures.

Most people (myself included) just trim the bottom section of the fan shroud. One ASV poster recently said that he put spacer tubes (made from pipe or something) between the two halves of the shroud to just move the bottom half down.
 

zuren

Adventurer
Most people (myself included) just trim the bottom section of the fan shroud. One ASV poster recently said that he put spacer tubes (made from pipe or something) between the two halves of the shroud to just move the bottom half down.

Herbie - do the Astro's have that metal cross member supporting the radiator and shroud? I went to ASV and didn't find any good images showing what I wanted to see. I'm not quite sure how the spacer tubes would have worked since the cross-member would be lifted be lifted with the rest of the body; there is no place for the shroud to go down unless there is trimming done elsewhere that isn't mentioned. I did find an image of someone taking a saw to the lower shroud which is what I thought I would have to do.
 

Photog

Explorer
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If anyone is interested, this van was for sale a couple years ago. Here is the link to the ad (has pics), and it confirms that it is a Quigley conversion for Roadtrek.

http://www.rvloco.com/forum/showthread.php?t=56778

Nice van.

I have communicated with the previous owner of this van ( ExPo member - XtremeOffroad4x4). It was already lifted when he purchased it, used. It was originally a Quigley 4x4; but Quigley did not install the Fab Tech "Bracket Lift". That was done by a 4x4 fab shop in Texas. The owner was not sure which shop did it.

Quigley does 4x4 conversions on the Roadtrek vans (3500's), because the 3500 vans are not available in AWD (4x4). Quigley uses 2500 (8 bolt) Silverado suspension parts for their 4x4 conversion. This may not be the same parts that will work on a factory AWD Chevy van.

As for the discussion on the torsion springs, there are only a few differences between all of the Chevy Torsion Springs.
A) Length
B) Diameter (thicker is stiffer).
C) End-geometry (hexagon) and clocking.

The keys can be different, in that the clocking of the hexagon can be different in different keys. I suspect that a 1/2-ton key and a 3/4-ton key may be different also (or, they might be identical parts).

As the Chevy van gets loaded with equipment (weight), they carry more weight up front than the trucks. This is due to the longer wheel base and most of the storage area being mid-body. For this reason, the vans tend to need stiffer springs up front.

The Chevy suspension does have a hard stop, for down-travel. It is under the upper control arm. The up-travel limiter is a squishy bump-stop that acts like an overload spring (at least on the 3500's). If the torsion bars are cranked to the point that the shocks have reached full extension (maybe by the previous owner), then cranking more will not gain any lift, but it will ride much more harshly.

It is easy to check if the shocks are limiting the down travel.
1) Measure from wheel-center to fender before starting (baseline ride height).
2) Jack up front, under frame, until tire is off ground.
3) Measure again as in step (1). If there is a difference, then you have some down-travel and it was not completely limited. Torsion bars should be able to provide some lift.
4) Loosen and remove the upper nut on the shock.
5) Measure again as in step (1) & (3). If there is a difference from step 3, then the shock was also limiting down-travel.
6) The upper control arm should now be resting against the down-travel stop.

Note: I have a 2008 Chevy 3500, that I have been working on, to get a lift. The 3500 van knuckle does not have the same geometry as the 3500 truck. The upper & lower control arms are spaced further apart, and the steering geometry is also different. It is possible the AWD van is the same as the 1500 truck or Suburban geometry, I do not know.

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zuren

Adventurer
I just recently stumbled onto this:

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http://www.boulderoffroadvans.com/gm__chevy_van_lift_kits

Looks like it consists of longer shocks, different spindles, and a block kit for the rear for $1500.

I've been reading some debates among the truck guys about lift blocks vs. add-a-leaf. It appears that an Add-A-Leaf to get the lift you want may be a more expensive but more solid route. It will make your ride stiffer.
 

dhally

Hammerhead
Those dogs!

I just recently stumbled onto this:

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http://www.boulderoffroadvans.com/gm__chevy_van_lift_kits

Looks like it consists of longer shocks, different spindles, and a block kit for the rear for $1500.

I've been reading some debates among the truck guys about lift blocks vs. add-a-leaf. It appears that an Add-A-Leaf to get the lift you want may be a more expensive but more solid route. It will make your ride stiffer.

If a 2wd lift had been available for the Chevy, I may well have gotten a Chevy instead of the Ford. I can't think of any downside to a spindle lift, geometry-wise?
 

Photog

Explorer
If a 2wd lift had been available for the Chevy, I may well have gotten a Chevy instead of the Ford. I can't think of any downside to a spindle lift, geometry-wise?

If the geometry is laid out properly, there should be no drawback. It does put more side-load on one ball joint, and less on the other.

I have been trying to contact Boulder Offroad for two weeks, to see what the price would be, for just the lift-spindles. I have everything else. No answers yet.

Edit: I just spoke with Boulder Off-Road. The spindles alone will be $1200.
 
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cwsqbm

Explorer
I talked to Quigley a few weeks ago (before I bought a Ford) and they now offer a Chevy IFS conversion with 2" lift for a big upcharge. It isn't on their web site. They told me it is done with lift blocks in the back and their own custom spindle in the front.

They do not offer a lift on a 2wd van.:(

I didn't ask if they could lift an AWD van.

They now offically offer a factory-installed 3" lift on their conversions for $2350 :Wow1: in addition to the cost of the conversion.

They don't sell it separately.

Link.

The problem I'd see with trying to use a truck lift (other than a "leveling kit") is that the track width is probably wider (due to a wider frame), and the aftermarket carrier that lowers the diff and carries the lower control arms would need to be wider than what the trucks use. You'd also need a CV joint front driveshaft, like AWD trucks use when lifted.

I surprised no one has made a lift yet - it'd use a lot of the truck parts with just a few new pieces.
 

zuren

Adventurer
I love the last pic in on that IFS and LIFS page, it's shows a solid axle.:Wow1: marketing at it's best.

I just saw that too. I think you were supposed to be distracted by the dirty van climbing out of the mud pit.

One thing about Quigley is they do not support used vehicles very well and won't sell kits for the do-it-yourself'er. They are offering conversions for 2007 or newer used van with less than 50,000 miles but that was a result of the economy. I think they were hurting for business and needed to do something. That offer will expire once business improves (which could be a while).
 
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zuren

Adventurer
I got an email response from Boulder Offroad regarding their kit on AWD Express vans:

Hello Zuren,
That kit will not work on the all wheel drive. We haven't really come up with a lift for those yet. Sorry for the inconvenience.
Thanks,

I'm moving forward on my 1" body lift. I was going to do hockey pucks and self-sourced hardware but elected to use Performance Accessories #BB01 (1" Big Block) spacers and grade 10.9 hardware from Fastenal. Everything has been ordered and I hope to have all of it next week.
 

foytix

New member
I emailed them yesterday and this is the response I got about an awd version of the kit
:ylsmoke:

Hello Jeremy,
Unfortunately the lift will not work with the AWD. We are trying to develop one but unsure on the time frame for that.
Thanks,
Kelly
----- Original Message -----
From: Jeremy Foytik
To: info@boulderoffroad.com
Sent: Friday, November 04, 2011 10:13 AM
Subject: Chevy Van lift ?

I saw you are offering a 3" spindle lift kit for the 03+ chevy express vans. My question is will this fit the AWD version as that's what I have.
 

BigAl

Expedition Leader
One area that needs attention is the fan shroud in the engine bay. The entire shroud (upper and lower halves) and radiator are supported by a portion of the body so everything would go up. The issue becomes the fan within the shroud since it is attached to the engine. I will need to research this more but it looks like you could just trim the lower section of the shroud to get you the clearance you need.

Trimming seems it would be easiest. You could also look at a 1" motor mount lift? They are popular in the jeep world to keep everything lined up with small Body lifts.
 

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