LR3 Engine Stall, Vapor Lock

jerdog53

Explorer
Has this problem only happened with the earlier production years?


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KyleT

Explorer
Fuel filter was a few thousand mile ago at 90k. Here is the strange bit. While going up the grade into Panimant the other LR3, two vehicles behind me, gets on the radio and says that he has a problem an that the engine stalled. As soon as he says the word stalled, mine stalled. The stall was on the grade pulling about 3500 rpm. Attempting to restart resulted in the engine stalling at idle. A second restart with throttle down resulted in revs to 3000 rpm with no stall. Shifted into drive and stalled. Switched to low range 1. Restarted and kept the revs high until I could pull off to the side of the road. Opened the hood and the smell of gas was bad enough for me to look for a fuel leak. It smelled exactly like flooding my old Holly four barrels. The smell was also pronounced from the rear of the truck. I kept my hand on the extinguisher just in case. I let her sit for about ten minutes and tried again. She never stalled again for the remaining two much hotter days. Repeated the same climb out of Death Valley both into Nevada and back to 395 with no problems.

I'll look into changing the filter again as that is simple thing to do. Thanks Scott.

Explain how you are changing the fuel filter please. It's in the tank, and you have to drop the tank to get to it.
 

KyleT

Explorer
Filter was changed at the dealer during maintenance.

That's not normal. It gets replaced with the pump. Literally the tank has to come out to get to it. So either they fleeced you, charged you for something else and that was put on by accident, or you paid a thousand alone to change it.

90k should be pollen, air, oil filters and oil. And lube, and iirc spark plugs.
 

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
That's not normal. It gets replaced with the pump. Literally the tank has to come out to get to it. So either they fleeced you, charged you for something else and that was put on by accident, or you paid a thousand alone to change it.

90k should be pollen, air, oil filters and oil. And lube, and iirc spark plugs.

That is right it is not normal. The tank was dropped to do it.
 

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow

I asked for it. My mpg had dropped suddenly by 2 mpg (13 down to 11) and I was trying to sort it out by eliminating all the variables. This happened after putting some Indian reservation gas into the tank. Not sure it was the culprit or not but after an injector clean and the rest of the service I was back to 13.
 

KyleT

Explorer
Gotcha.

Has any of these guys with the stalling issue taken the intake tubing off and physically cleaned the throttle body?
 

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
Gotcha.

Has any of these guys with the stalling issue taken the intake tubing off and physically cleaned the throttle body?

I cleaned the throttle body which was coated with oil residue. I also cleaned the MAF sensor. I haven't stalled since but the gas smell is still prevalent at altitude. I have now started to run mid octane gas at altitude above 6000 feet.
 

KyleT

Explorer
What grade were you running previously? Not that it is the same but I have had my jag l322 up past 13k with no issues. Only high grade octane though.

Edit, also any evidence of fuel leaking external, or onto the exhaust pipe on the right side of the car?

and when you pulled the fuel cap, did it sound like a bubbling or boiling sound?
 
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JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
What grade were you running previously? Not that it is the same but I have had my jag l322 up past 13k with no issues. Only high grade octane though.

Edit, also any evidence of fuel leaking external, or onto the exhaust pipe on the right side of the car?

and when you pulled the fuel cap, did it sound like a bubbling or boiling sound?

91 octane before at altitude. Theory is that less air means less fuel which means less octane requirement at altitude. No fuel leak present. Gas cap was opened but there was no sound other than a slight pressure relief. Pressure in the tank should keep the vapor down.
 
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psykokid

Explorer
Jeremy, just wondering.. from the people you have heard about this happening with - are any located outside of CA? I'm wondering if the super snazzy CA blend of gas we get with all the ethanol and oxygenation may or may not be a factor in the problem?

Possibly using something like VP C9 racing fuel which is a non oxygenated non ethanol blend while at altitude would help? That would mean fueling enough to get to the trail head and then topping off from a jerrycan and carrying enough fuel with you to get back to a source of regular fuel for the trip home. Kind of a big bother but something that might be worth checking out..
 

JAK

JAK:JeremySnow
Jeremy, just wondering.. from the people you have heard about this happening with - are any located outside of CA? I'm wondering if the super snazzy CA blend of gas we get with all the ethanol and oxygenation may or may not be a factor in the problem?

Possibly using something like VP C9 racing fuel which is a non oxygenated non ethanol blend while at altitude would help? That would mean fueling enough to get to the trail head and then topping off from a jerrycan and carrying enough fuel with you to get back to a source of regular fuel for the trip home. Kind of a big bother but something that might be worth checking out..

Jake,

Actually thought about that and posted back on page two. The ethanol blend tends to get all the dirt and muck out of the tanks at the station and put them into the cars every year. That was the reason for the fuel filter swap. This happened on Frank's spring death valley trip, so we should have been running summer gas.

Jeremy
 

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