LR3 prices continue to fall

justfred

Adventurer
All:
JustFred:

Having praised the LR3, I am considering selling (getting a Defender). PM me if interested.

Cheers,

Paul.

Thanks, Paul! If I could get a Defender, I probably would - though compared to the Discos they're outrageously overpriced. I'm not in a hurry - the D2 has 120K on it, still doing fine, somewhat beaten up (i.e. treated like a Land Rover) so it doesn't have a lot of resale. PM me if you're close to selling.

Funny thing - I was actually in line for the FJC when they came out - I see you had one - I couldn't stand the interior visibility, which is how I ended up with the D2 (again).

I pulled up behind a D3 this morning, and that back window is really great viz, too. I've always thought that the irregular shape of the rear window was meant to benefit the driver - though on the D2 left-hand-drive, it's backwards. Frankly I think the driver space of the D2 is too small because it's really supposed to be RHD - but it's more comfortable since removing the driver cupholder.
 

bri

Adventurer
Ha!!! Not even a question. The P38A Rangie is a joke, totally worthless. The LR3 is amazingly capable, the P38A is a cheap vehicle designed by BMW to save money.

Man. Where is the Rover love. As with any vehicle, you should know what you are getting into and P38 are not known for reliability, but I believe that much is exaggerated especially by people that did not maintain them regularly or purchased a vehicle that was not maintained well OR, they are just going on word of mouth. What I am saying is from being a P38 owner, seeing them offroad and talking with other P38 enthusiasts.

Say what you will but I lovel our holland and holland. Feels far from cheap, not a joke or totally worthless (to me).

Could be that an L3R is more capable, but unless you are going to d some pretty tough trails the driver is going to make more of a difference than the vehicles (if both in stock form). And besides, if you only care about capability go geturself a D90 or D1.
 

ZG

Busy Fly Fishing
Man. Where is the Rover love. As with any vehicle, you should know what you are getting into and P38 are not known for reliability, but I believe that much is exaggerated especially by people that did not maintain them regularly or purchased a vehicle that was not maintained well OR, they are just going on word of mouth. What I am saying is from being a P38 owner, seeing them offroad and talking with other P38 enthusiasts.

Say what you will but I lovel our holland and holland. Feels far from cheap, not a joke or totally worthless (to me).

Could be that an L3R is more capable, but unless you are going to d some pretty tough trails the driver is going to make more of a difference than the vehicles (if both in stock form). And besides, if you only care about capability go geturself a D90 or D1.

I'm referring more to the point that it was one of the few BMW trucks with a Rover name on it. There are so many flaws in the design of the vehicle. I think they look cool, are comfortable to drive, and are pretty capable. But if you've driven an LR3 or LR4 you'd be absolutely blown away by its capability.
 

spikemd

Explorer
I'm referring more to the point that it was one of the few BMW trucks with a Rover name on it. There are so many flaws in the design of the vehicle. I think they look cool, are comfortable to drive, and are pretty capable. But if you've driven an LR3 or LR4 you'd be absolutely blown away by its capability.

There are plenty of flaws with every Land Rover vehicle. The P38 got a horrible reputation because of the EAS air suspension and early BECM electrical issues as all electronics went to one central computer. Pretty smart actually, but poorly executed in the early vehicles. You had to take the vehicle to LR dealership and the repair costs were through the roof. The later models had many fewer issues and if you take the EAS out of the question, it is quite reliable, if you can say that about any rover. With the information on the forums, every issue has been addressed and can be fixed is your own garage. For example, the EAS valve block could cost you $1500 at a dealer or rebuilt in your garage for $30.

As far as capability, did you take the LR3/4 offroad on any challenging trails or just drive it in the parking lot? The onroad manners are exceptional and it performs well offroad in stock form, but my P38 keeps up and even made it up trails where 2 LR3s had to turn around due to clearance issues. I can only talk from experience, not what you might 'think' it can do. All the LR3s also threw at least one fault on washboards or other higher speed areas that required them to stop and restart the vehicle. I love the LR3/4 and plan to get an LR4 for my wife that will be slowly modified. The locking rear diff is an incredible upgrade, but very hard to find in the used market. Its only like $800 as a factory option and basically can't be swapped over for anything less than a couple grand due to the integration of the electronics. To swap it over requires the whole diff, wiring and computer integration, not an easy task and there are no third party locking diffs available. A P38 lifted on springs with Detroit True-tracs in the diffs is a serious offroad rig with articulation that you cannot achieve with any LR3.
 

Mack73

Adventurer
So Spikemd, you make valid points, but answer this for me:

Why choose a P38 over a disco II?

Everything the P38 does, the disco II does as well or better. Plus a larger aftermarket, more sold for spare parts, better transfer case, etc...
 

bri

Adventurer
I'm referring more to the point that it was one of the few BMW trucks with a Rover name on it. There are so many flaws in the design of the vehicle. I think they look cool, are comfortable to drive, and are pretty capable. But if you've driven an LR3 or LR4 you'd be absolutely blown away by its capability.

What flaws are you speaking of that are unique to the P38?

I don't think I'd be blown away, I used to have a D1 that did an aweful lot of tough trails in stock form before I heavily modified it.

I am pretty confident that I could keep up with an LR3/LR4 in my P38, unless of course the driver were spectacular.

But you are not going to see my near mint H&H on a tough trail, sorry.
 

bri

Adventurer
So Spikemd, you make valid points, but answer this for me:

Why choose a P38 over a disco II?

Everything the P38 does, the disco II does as well or better. Plus a larger aftermarket, more sold for spare parts, better transfer case, etc...

Everyone has a D2 and its not a Range Rover.
 

ZG

Busy Fly Fishing
There are plenty of flaws with every Land Rover vehicle. The P38 got a horrible reputation because of the EAS air suspension and early BECM electrical issues as all electronics went to one central computer. Pretty smart actually, but poorly executed in the early vehicles. You had to take the vehicle to LR dealership and the repair costs were through the roof. The later models had many fewer issues and if you take the EAS out of the question, it is quite reliable, if you can say that about any rover. With the information on the forums, every issue has been addressed and can be fixed is your own garage. For example, the EAS valve block could cost you $1500 at a dealer or rebuilt in your garage for $30.

As far as capability, did you take the LR3/4 offroad on any challenging trails or just drive it in the parking lot? The onroad manners are exceptional and it performs well offroad in stock form, but my P38 keeps up and even made it up trails where 2 LR3s had to turn around due to clearance issues. I can only talk from experience, not what you might 'think' it can do. All the LR3s also threw at least one fault on washboards or other higher speed areas that required them to stop and restart the vehicle. I love the LR3/4 and plan to get an LR4 for my wife that will be slowly modified. The locking rear diff is an incredible upgrade, but very hard to find in the used market. Its only like $800 as a factory option and basically can't be swapped over for anything less than a couple grand due to the integration of the electronics. To swap it over requires the whole diff, wiring and computer integration, not an easy task and there are no third party locking diffs available. A P38 lifted on springs with Detroit True-tracs in the diffs is a serious offroad rig with articulation that you cannot achieve with any LR3.

I drove an LR4 pretty extensively on some trails that my modified DII couldn't do, and the LR4 had street tires. The biggest issue with the P38A is the electrical system, like you said the BECM was just a flawed system. You're correct in saying that every Rover has its flaws, some are just pricier than others.

What flaws are you speaking of that are unique to the P38?

I don't think I'd be blown away, I used to have a D1 that did an aweful lot of tough trails in stock form before I heavily modified it.

I am pretty confident that I could keep up with an LR3/LR4 in my P38, unless of course the driver were spectacular.

But you are not going to see my near mint H&H on a tough trail, sorry.

You'd really have to drive both off road to see the difference. I can't really explain the off road system in the LR4, it's beyond comparison.
 

spikemd

Explorer
So Spikemd, you make valid points, but answer this for me:

Why choose a P38 over a disco II?

Everything the P38 does, the disco II does as well or better. Plus a larger aftermarket, more sold for spare parts, better transfer case, etc...

I was actually looking to purchase a Disco as my first rover. I drove a few and they are good trucks. But then I noticed the P38 were around the same price and decided to take one for a spin. I chose the Rangie because I like the interior/exterior much better and overall feel of the vehicle was better for me. Yes, there is more aftermarket support for the disco especially if you are going to build a rock-crawler. But I like expedition travel and moderate trails. It has been a challenge to outfit it, but with diligence I have found armor, sliders, roof rack, factory winch tray and winch. After my buddies P38 EAS airspring blew out on the trail, it will be converted to springs this fall. which will allow 33s and plenty of articulation.

and yes, everyone has a disco. I feel my rangie has more character. Its all a matter of personal choice.

Needless to say, when I posted a question about buying a P38 a few years ago, it started a rant that was 100s of posts long with a lot of people saying to steer clear. Maybe I got lucky, but my truck has performed flawlessly offroad and all the money I have put into the truck has been for modifications or regular maintenance.

I am no knocking the LR3/4 by any means, they are great and perform very well offroad. I was just oogling over them at the dealership the other weekend. But my P38 can keep up with any LR3/4 offroad.
 
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ZG

Busy Fly Fishing
I was actually looking to purchase a Disco as my first rover. I drove a few and they are good trucks. But then I noticed the P38 were around the same price and decided to take one for a spin. I chose the Rangie because I like the interior/exterior much better and overall feel of the vehicle was better for me. Yes, there is more aftermarket support for the disco especially if you are going to build a rock-crawler. But I like expedition travel and moderate trails. It has been a challenge to outfit it, but with diligence I have found armor, sliders, roof rack, factory winch tray and winch. After my buddies P38 EAS airspring blew out on the trail, it will be converted to springs this fall. which will allow 33s and plenty of articulation.

and yes, everyone has a disco. I feel my rangie has more character. Its all a matter of personal choice.

Needless to say, when I posted a question about buying a P38 a few years ago, it started a rant that was 100s of posts long with a lot of people saying to steer clear. Maybe I got lucky, but my truck has performed flawlessly offroad and all the money I have put into the truck has been for modifications or regular maintenance.

I am no knocking the LR3/4 by any means, they are great and perform very well offroad. I was just oogling over them at the dealership the other weekend. But my P38 can keep up with any LR3/4 offroad.

Don't take this is as me challenging your comment, but have you ever done the Land Rover Experience? As far as I know the P38a does not have locking diffs like the LR4(can lock remotely up to 99%). Unreal stuff, it truly is the most capable vehicle Land Rover has ever built.
 

ZG

Busy Fly Fishing
You really do have to drive it. I've driven every Land Rover short of a 1st gen freelander, LR3, and Series I. There is no question in my mind about which in stock form is the best off road vehicle. Fully locking centre, 99% locking front and rear diffs, I was only driving one with street tires and it blew me away. The LR experience is very much set up for the vehicles to be able to succeed in testing, but only because of the capabilities of the modern vehicles. My friend's NAS 90 and my DII couldn't complete a couple of the obstacles set up in the course. I'm not saying you should go buy one, but

go buy one... I would if I had the cash haha
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
I think once they hit the $10k mark, they will become uber appealing for the general wheeling crowd. I think that is really were I saw the D1's and the D2's take off in terms of wheeling.

Personally, I'd love to wheel a RRS. Dunno, just would be cool.
 

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