Lug wrench
- Thread starter Bajaroad
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Napa
It's 2 pieces, one is a short bar with a socket on either end for the inner and out lug nut, the other is a hex shaped bar for the wrench handle.
I use a 5 foot pipe over the hex bar for extra leverage but I can't get the nuts off by hand unless I loosen them with an air wrench and then tighten them by hand.
Tire places and the dealer always over tighten them. They should about 350 ft lbs of torque.
Napa has something called a torque stick that is supposed to limited the torque applied with an air wrench. It's an extension that goes between the wrench and the socket and comes in various colors for various ft lbs of torque.
I think about buying one and trying to get the tire store to use it when they rotate my tires.
Napa makes a geared wrench called a power wrench that would generated enough leverage to take them off.
they have a 'budd' socket for an air wrench if you want one also. It has an outer hex socket for the outer lug nuts and a square socket inside for the inner lug nuts.
Make sure you get the right size for your year.
My 93 with 5 lug nuts per wheel uses the 'american budd' (13/16 sq and 1 and something hex) and my 2004 with 6 lug nuts per wheel uses a 'metric budd' (21 mm sq and maybe 41 mm hex)
I'm not sure about the sizes but I know I had to buy a new socket when I got the 2004 and I know that the 13/16 sq looked close but it didn't fit.
Doug hackney may have the sizes on his site because he got the wrong on to begin with.
It's 2 pieces, one is a short bar with a socket on either end for the inner and out lug nut, the other is a hex shaped bar for the wrench handle.
I use a 5 foot pipe over the hex bar for extra leverage but I can't get the nuts off by hand unless I loosen them with an air wrench and then tighten them by hand.
Tire places and the dealer always over tighten them. They should about 350 ft lbs of torque.
Napa has something called a torque stick that is supposed to limited the torque applied with an air wrench. It's an extension that goes between the wrench and the socket and comes in various colors for various ft lbs of torque.
I think about buying one and trying to get the tire store to use it when they rotate my tires.
Napa makes a geared wrench called a power wrench that would generated enough leverage to take them off.
they have a 'budd' socket for an air wrench if you want one also. It has an outer hex socket for the outer lug nuts and a square socket inside for the inner lug nuts.
Make sure you get the right size for your year.
My 93 with 5 lug nuts per wheel uses the 'american budd' (13/16 sq and 1 and something hex) and my 2004 with 6 lug nuts per wheel uses a 'metric budd' (21 mm sq and maybe 41 mm hex)
I'm not sure about the sizes but I know I had to buy a new socket when I got the 2004 and I know that the 13/16 sq looked close but it didn't fit.
Doug hackney may have the sizes on his site because he got the wrong on to begin with.
Bajaroad
Adventurer
Napa lug wrench
I went to Napa this morning and ordered the 41mm (two-sided) socket. I could only find one product available in 41mm. Even my Bluebird's are smaller.
Tom, the color coded torque limiting extension you mentioned costs $170 - ouch. It must be made from spring steel and then calibrated to twist beyond the rotational range of the air wrench at the calibrated torque.
I went to Napa this morning and ordered the 41mm (two-sided) socket. I could only find one product available in 41mm. Even my Bluebird's are smaller.
Tom, the color coded torque limiting extension you mentioned costs $170 - ouch. It must be made from spring steel and then calibrated to twist beyond the rotational range of the air wrench at the calibrated torque.
FusoFG said:
The 2 products I mentioned are the 2 ended socket for use with the manual breaker bar - did you order the hex breaker bar - and a regular air wrench budd socket.
Both sockets handle the square rear wheel inner lug nut and outer hex lug nut.
I carry both.
The manual set plus a 5 foot pipe in case I have to try and change the tire myself.
And the air wrench socket in case I'm at a service garage and they don't have one - happened twice so far.
I know the torque stick is expensive. You didn't price the geared power wrench - $430 plus.
Just make sure you don't let a mechanic over tighten the lug nuts.
Both sockets handle the square rear wheel inner lug nut and outer hex lug nut.
I carry both.
The manual set plus a 5 foot pipe in case I have to try and change the tire myself.
And the air wrench socket in case I'm at a service garage and they don't have one - happened twice so far.
I know the torque stick is expensive. You didn't price the geared power wrench - $430 plus.
Just make sure you don't let a mechanic over tighten the lug nuts.
DaveInDenver
Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Yup, you got it. Torque sticks, pretty clever devices. The shaft twists with the impact wrench at a particular torque, which at the 'setting' is rotationally leading the socket end. So there's an exact amount of force during impact at the socket. Between hammer impacts the shaft relaxes and the cycle is repeated on the next impact. You could bang all day at the torque stick's value and the socket will never put more than the specified clamping force on the lugnut. It's such a simple and elegant solution, no thinking, no calibration and the tire shop monkeys can't snap wheel studs or over torque anymore.Bajaroad said:
dhackney
Expedition Leader
FusoFG said:
Yes, I did get the wrong sized Budd the first time.
I don't know if I've got the final supplier and part numbers documented on the site or not. I did not maintain the procurement spreadsheets towards the end.
I believe I posted all of that info, including the links to the suppliers, part #s, etc. on ExCamper forum. I don't know if those threads are still active or not.
I'm in very low bandwidth Patagonia right now so don't have the ability to track the data down right now.
We carry the Budd impact socket for the nuts and studs, an impact wrench, air hose and the air compressor/tank system. I also carry a short extension and a very, very expensive breaker bar/ratchet.
I doubt very much I could ever break the nuts with the breaker bar. Never succeeded in any of the tests.
Doug
Bajaroad
Adventurer
Wheel nuts
I didn't see a 41mm socket in the Napa catelog and their website was missing a discription - the counter guy wasn't familiar with any of these products.
I ordered an 41mm deep impact socket from McMaster Carr ($30).
Do you know where (besides dealer) I could find additional wheel nuts?
I didn't see a 41mm socket in the Napa catelog and their website was missing a discription - the counter guy wasn't familiar with any of these products.
I ordered an 41mm deep impact socket from McMaster Carr ($30).
Do you know where (besides dealer) I could find additional wheel nuts?
FusoFG said:
DontPanic42
Adventurer
I guess I was lucky when I had to change a tire on my FG a few years ago. My partner and I were cooking for a bunch of eastern types at a ranch about a 100 plus miles from here. No air or power tools. We broke the lug nuts free using a 3 ft. breaker bar. You do what you have to do. By the way I was 63 at the time and he was just 70. He had a 5 way bypass a few years earlier and I had a mild heart attack the previous fall. Guess the nuts weren't overly torqued to begin with.
Bajaroad said:
It's a 41mm x 21mm combination metric budd wheel socket Napa part NPT 617841 ($33.99) for 1" drive and NPT 616841 for 3/4" drive ($39.99).
here's the link to their catalog
http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(...eyword&N=0&Nty=1&D=budd socket&Dn=0&Dk=1&Dp=3
The Double-End Truck Wrench; Metric; 21 mm sq. x 41 mm Part: SPC 32556 $35.49
and the link:
http://www.napaonline.com/NOLPPSE/(...A=SPC32556_0006404525&An=0+59999+99999+109999
I can't find the cast iron hex breaker bar, but they had it in stock at the Napa store.
Doug, I couldn't take the lug nuts off by hand either until I loosened them up with an air wrench and retorqued them by hand with a 70 lb pull on a 5 ft cheater pipe over the breaker bar.
DontPanic42
Adventurer
I picked up the Double End Truck Wrench napa #32556 from my local dealer today. Also got the Cast Fe Hex Bar napa # 32318, $24.44 list. Of course it had to be ordered in.
Thanks for the heads up.
Thanks for the heads up.
dhackney
Expedition Leader
Not more than a week after I posted about this we had our first flat so I got to test all this stuff out here in the field.
I miss-spoke in my post, we were able to get the lug nuts loose using the SnapOn ratchet during testing. I was thinking about the impact wrench, which didn't work at first until I raised the air pressure in the system to 140 psi. Sorry for the mix up.
I used the massively expensive, equally massive SnapOn ratchet for the heavy work. I was able to break the nuts loose with one foot.
I didn't use the impact for everything because I'm only running 120psi in the air system right now due to high altitude issues with the compressor. The impact wrench was handy for everything but breaking and final tightening.
The best part was having Steph watch and having her say "We never could have done it without that ratchet." since she about had kittens when I bought it and she saw the price.
Note that I'm carrying both the two way budd socket and a straight 41mm impact socket. I used the straight 41mm socket for this job, (outer rear wheel, passenger side). You will need a drive extension to reach into the rear wheels.
We are also carrying a full set of nuts for each side (left and right thread) and a full set of rear studs for each side (left and right thread).
If we can find some bandwidth I'll get a post up on my blog about the entire experience.
I miss-spoke in my post, we were able to get the lug nuts loose using the SnapOn ratchet during testing. I was thinking about the impact wrench, which didn't work at first until I raised the air pressure in the system to 140 psi. Sorry for the mix up.
I used the massively expensive, equally massive SnapOn ratchet for the heavy work. I was able to break the nuts loose with one foot.
I didn't use the impact for everything because I'm only running 120psi in the air system right now due to high altitude issues with the compressor. The impact wrench was handy for everything but breaking and final tightening.
The best part was having Steph watch and having her say "We never could have done it without that ratchet." since she about had kittens when I bought it and she saw the price.
Note that I'm carrying both the two way budd socket and a straight 41mm impact socket. I used the straight 41mm socket for this job, (outer rear wheel, passenger side). You will need a drive extension to reach into the rear wheels.
We are also carrying a full set of nuts for each side (left and right thread) and a full set of rear studs for each side (left and right thread).
If we can find some bandwidth I'll get a post up on my blog about the entire experience.
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Robthebrit
Explorer
wow thats quite the wrench, how tight are the lugs on a fuso?