Mapper's gen 2.5

mapper

Explorer
Slow progress this weekend. Had a big storm system come through and I made a 3 day weekend of skiing and dining out with friends. Mountains got over 3 feet of good, soft, fresh snow. Late April riding at it's finest, take it when you can get it. A nice ski staycation!

Did manage to squeeze in removal of rear shocks which is the last of the necessary parts to remove. Always a big deal to me (hand tool guy) on an older rig! Only tear-down left is disassembling/cleaning of the front axle joints.

I also got remaining suspension and brake parts cleaned up of old grease/grime etc. and wire bushed, where needed, for reassembly.

Only a couple ski pics for now. Was snowing hard so not the greatest. Meanwhile its time to get the garden in and will be in the 70s this week at my house. I just love April in Utah!

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Looking into my favorite line of the day.
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Jay Ayala

Explorer
Hey Mapper,
I've been watching this thread closely. I have a lot of work to do on my 1997 Montero SR that is similar to what you are doing too. I gotta go through all of my steering wear items. Also all of my suspension needs to be refreshed. Oh and brakes all around have to be redone sometime in the next 3 months.
 

mapper

Explorer
I'm making slow progress. Keep getting distracted from the job. I swear I never get more than 2 hours at a crack on it. I'm going slow and thoroughly cleaning/regreasing everything. Probably being far more anal than I should be but this way I know it's fresh. I've never done a front end like this... Man, greasy mess, especially since I cleaned/repacked the cvs.

The rear is all done, just needs rotors wiped down and tires installed....oh yeah, gotta flush/bleed the brakes too.
Up front the axels, knuckles and sway bar links are installed. Up next is calipers, pads and shocks. Then bleed the whole brake system out the tires on and go for a drive! Getting there
 

mapper

Explorer
I wish I was closer so I could lend a hand and learn, I will be doing the same soon.
Hey wait, aren't you really close?? :coffee: :) No matter, I'd love help but honestly my schedule has been so unpredictable that scheduling would be near impossible.

At any rate. I'll give you guys a great run down of some tips and tricks I learned along the way. I'll try to get to this soon. I decided to do this project at exactly the wrong time as everybody I know is trying to get together for fun spring outtings/get-togethers etc. I just keep squeezing in a little work when I get a chance.

Got a pic of the rear reassembled but apparently forgot to take a pic of the front.
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Man, those brake discs are some heavy beasties. Lots of metal and probably could have machined them but new ones were not much more than the cost of resurfacing. That said, you can definitely notice the quality of materials Mitsu was using for the suspension/hardware on these trucks. If only the assembly of some parts wasn't such a "tetris" like and interlocking. I had not intended to do such an encompassing job on the front end but definitely a case of one thing logically leading to another.

Oh, and here is a simple pic I took of front hub outer bearing disassembly...Nothing special but everyone likes pictures. Just took this so I would remember the proper orientation of the washer after I got around to cleaning it all up/regreasing and reassembling.
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mapper

Explorer
OK, A couple things to note for this "brake" turned into suspension refresh. Here are some tips and comments on engineering absurdity I encountered. Note: Some of this may be self evident to folks used to this style front end. I'm not used to having to pull hubs/bearings to do brake discs/rotors, that was a learning experience for me. I did not remove/replace any of the steering linkage, mine all seemed tight.

First, don't make the mistake of starting your "brake" job by greasing all your ball joints. I did that...then, as the job snowballed I proceeded to take almost every ball joint apart, now freshly coated in all the nasty old grease that squeezed out. Lots of greasy dirty rags later I'm going through and greasing it all again :sombrero:

Front:
-Stupid thing #1 Sway bar links. Unless you know yours are bad leave them alone. I wasted A LOT of time on these. First, to remove the upper link (ball/socket style connector) I had to remove the shock and the lower shock mount...(so I decided to just replace the shocks!) This is the only way I manged to get a hex key to remove the nut for the upper ball/socket style joint. However, I still ultimately needed to cut that joint apart. Even after that I had to cut the lower mount off, as the inner sleeve of the rubber bushing was fused to the post off the lower control arm. I first cut off the outer collar and rubber bushing, then shaved the inner collar flat and made another cut through it for some penetrating oil. After that a vice grip is your friend. This was supposed to be a simple 4 bolt job. Just removing them set me back 3 evenings of after work/dinner wrenching/problem solving. DON"T mess with these links unless you absolutely must!

-Removal of caliper and caliper carrier is straightforward except for one 10mm bolt connecting the upper portion of the carrier to the dust shield.

-Caliper guide pins are different for top and bottom. They are labeled on the caliper and the OEM guide pins. The lower one is called the "lock" pin. There is a little rubber bushing on one pin, make sure that comes out of the caliper. One of mine was so deteriorated I had to fish it out of the hole with a pick.

-Front disc removal requires removal of the hub. Prepare to get greasy as you'll be removing the bearings. There is a special tool for removing the bearing lock nut (some have used a GM 1/2 ton socket with 4 of the 6 "nubs" ground off). I used two screwdrivers and found it worked OK. I can't set the proper "pre-load" on the bearings with my method though. Also decide if you just want to replace bearings at this point. I didn't. Mine seemed to be fairly recent. I cleaned them completely and repacked with fresh grease

-Rear hub seal is apparently much better as OEM. I just reused what was there, it seemed to be in very good/basically new shape. I think my bearings were replaced VERY recently as all the pieces looked fresh and new.

-Once hub is removed you'll have access to the back of the rotor where you can remove 4 x 12mm bolts holding the ABS reluctor ring in place. You'll want a sturdy bench vise to hold the hub while you remove the 6 x 14mm nut/bolts holding the rotor to the hub. I used my pickle fork to separate the two after the bolts were removed. To install the new rotors I just alternated tightening the 14mm nut/bolts in an opposite/across pattern. I was worried it may need to be pressed in place but the bolts just pulled it together.

-At this point you'll likely realize, like me, you have some CV boots that are looking dry/cracked...and you may as well pull the CVs and reboot. Maybe you'll be lucky, I wasn't. My inner boots were probably original and totally shot. I also accidentally nicked one outer boot with my grinder while dealing with those beautiful sway bar links. Yeah!!! more grease!:wings:

-Pulling CVs is pretty straightforward. Driver (left) side slides out, Passenger (right) side has four bolts on the inner joint. First off, however, you have to release the spindle from the ball joint tapered joints. As you may know a 3lb hammer is really handy for this kind of thing. with the car in the air bang on the lower, cast iron, portion of the spindle. Keep the nut on as the torsion bar will still be under tension, and the joint will "pop" free quite vigorously. Once the lower pops out you can bang on the upper cast iron part of the spindle until the upper drops. Now you can slide your axle out.

-This is an ideal time to replace upper or lower ball joints, if needed. I did the lowers, my uppers seemed just fine. SEE how quickly this snowballs!

-ABS sensor. I couldn't get mine removed from the hub carrier and didn't want to risk damaging them (pricey buggers), so I had to set the carrier on a box for the rest of the job, half in my way. REMEMBER to clean the sensor "heads" before putting the front disc/rotor in place!! These things are magnetic and attract lots of junk. I forgot to clean mine...damnit.

-Stupid thing #2. Unless you have magical flexible tools You'll probably have to install your new sway bar links BEFORE you can install your lower shock mounts and new shocks. It would help to have 3 hands to get the new shocks installed as you'll need to somehow push down on the lower control arm OR lever up the new gas charged shock a couple mms to get it installed. You'll want to install the shock before the axle and spindle. Because I'm an idiot I did everything in exactly the reverse order as I removed it. Meaning I installed my spindle before I attempted to install the new shock. That doesn't work with a gas charged shock unless you first compress it and wire it in the compressed state. I pulled my spindle off again and used a screwdriver as a lever under the shock. I did it with 2 hands, so it is possible...3 would be better though.

-Stupid thing #3 most fasteners in this job are 14 and 17mm. BUUUUT for the lower ball joint you'll need a 24mm, upper ball joint was 21 or 22mm, tie rod was 19mm. ABS ring was 12mm, and somewhere in the job I wound up adding a 15mm and a 18mm socket to my "job box". I used 1/2" and 3/4" breaker bars, ratchets and various extensions throughout the job. I also have "Gear wrenches" which I found very useful. I also used a 3# hammer, large vice grips, needle nose pliers, pipe wrench and multiple different screwdrivers. So much for a simple emergency tool kit. My "job box" weighed like 20-30 pounds.

-Believe it or not I've never dealt with taper fit ball joints before. I'm not sure how to get them properly seated on reassembly. Think i've got everything but the upper ball joints look like they could go a bit more??!!

Rear:
Pretty straightforward overall
-Rear sway bar links, squeeze the sleeve with a vice grip to break it free from the bolt. Penetrating oil and a vice grip make this simple to remove.

-Rear shock lower bolt is 24mm (thankfully that is also what lower ball joint and front and rear diff drain/fill holes require).

-Lower bolt was manageable on mine with a 24mm socket plus an adjustable wrench, I didn't buy a 24mm open end.

-Rear discs have two holes you can thread a small bolt into to "pop" them off the hub. Do that, it makes removal easy.

-Dumbest thing in the rear: Upper brake caliper guide pin removal requires you to remove the caliper from the brake hose. Remember to install the new pin before re-installing the brake hose.

-Second dumbest thing: new shocks come with a band attached that covers the upper mounting point. You'll definitely want to wire the shocks another way in the compressed position. I still found it easiest to attach the lower mount first the let the shock expand into the upper mount, directing from below. I tried to short cut on the 2nd side and get it all done by just cutting the band, no good, shock moved too fast for me to get the bushing and washer in place. I had to re-compress it and wire it.

OK, I think I covered most "things" I encountered. That was mouthful. You deserve a beer just for reading all that!! :friday:

For me it's :coffeedrink: time as I still have to finish putting the last set of brake pads in AND bleed the brakes. Then it's drive time!!
 
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jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
Ha ha, compressing shocks can definitely be a chore, I had to replace the rear HD Bilstein shocks on my Jeep last week that have 12 inches of travel.
 

Stroverlander

Adventurer
Sounds like a good time, you gonna do the Astro next? :sombrero:

For tapered ball joints there should be a torque spec for the stud nut. For castellated nut, set to torque and tighten to next slot for cotter pin.
 

mapper

Explorer
Sounds like a good time, you gonna do the Astro next? :sombrero:

For tapered ball joints there should be a torque spec for the stud nut. For castellated nut, set to torque and tighten to next slot for cotter pin.

Astro is good to go. I paid someone 2 summers back to the the ball joints on Astro. Should have saved money and done it myself but I did not have the means to cut off the rivets and didn't want to buy a grinder at the time. That was silliness, but I was still thinking of moving back to Oregon at that time and feeling overwhelmed by "stuff" to possibly move.

I've easily reached the torque setting but on both sides the upper ball joint just doesn't "look" seated all that well. I think I've got it nailed but there is some stud visible between the boot and the spindle. At any rate when I actually drive the thing I'll just do a quick trip around a couple blocks to properly "bed" the pads/rotors then come back and check all my fasteners.

This is how she sits with all new parts bolted up. All that is remaining is the fiddly stuff and double checking everything.
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mapper

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Like I said. Mostly "fiddly" stuff left. This is how it looked when I got into the garage after dinner last night, just some of the boxes from this job:
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Then I set to work:
Flushed and Bled brake system
Final cleaning of rotors
Protect and tie up shock adjusters
Double check all fasteners
Final adjustment of bearings and install new front axle shims, mine didn't have any (junk yard score!)
Fasten bearing cap plate
Drain and fill front diff (not sure why I "needed" to do this now. Took forever since I only have a 6oz gear oil pump :smilies27)
Install wheels
Torque wheels
Lower
Finally, Drive!!!

Bedded the brakes at about 11:30 last night. Perfect time for a city dweller to accomplish this task. Drove it to work this morning. :bike_rider:
Now this weekend I get to clean up the garage
 

mapper

Explorer
Overall pretty good. Can't say it feels dramatically different. Pulsing in the brakes is obviously gone. I think the high speed vibration issue is much improved but I've only ticked above 70 briefly so jury still out on that. Not sure when I'll get a good longer run in.

Biggest difference is how "soft" the new shocks feel at the moment. I'd honestly say they are somewhere between the S and M settings on the original adjustables. Not remotely what I expected, I was thinking closer to the H setting, as some folks refer to these shocks as being too "harsh". I don't even have the rear seats in my truck so I'm almost worried about how they will feel fully loaded. Unfortunately it makes me feel like there was really no need to change my shocks. Maybe I just need some OME springs now. I think I'm so used to driving cars that most trucks feel "soft" to me. I much prefer how my van drives with add-a-leaf overload springs, even when totally empty without any rear seats.

I imagine the crashing of rear sway bar links over bumps will be gone now too. I've honestly only bedded the brakes then driven 5 miles to work so I don't have a good feel for the full gamut changes.
 

Clem

Adventurer
Five mile commute?!?!...that's more like a morning run.:coffeedrink: Can you tell I'm envious (I have just short of 50 miles/day commute and there is currently unavoidable road work for the rest of the month:().

Looking forward to the extended review.

Thanks for the up date,

Clem
 

mapper

Explorer
Um, yes... It's one of the little benefits about where I live/work. :cool: It is almost all freeway so if I hit the lights right leaving home/office it takes 7-8 minutes. If traffic is bad it might take up to 15 minutes. I hate being stuck in traffic. CA is beautiful but I think the cities there would drive me mad. Even Salt Lake pushes my buttons and I think the record "bad" commute in 4 years time was 25 minutes :Wow1:

I often go home for lunch with the dogs, which makes the day so much nicer.

Trade off is...I paid a small fortune for a tiny, outdated, 110 year old house with 2 beds, 1 bath and I have a roommate. Thankfully I managed to find a place with a small yard and a 2 car garage, kind-of...as you may have noticed from pics.

Ironically it is probably the worst commute I've ever had and the only one that I haven't preferred using my bike for. Double ironically, my office is supposed to move closer to my house in the coming years...unfortunately the commute will take longer :confused:, but be more bike friendly. :bike_rider:
 

mapper

Explorer
Ok, Got a few things done on the Montero this last weekend. :coffee:

Most importantly I got the root of my high speed vibration. :D Turns out there was a bad tire. Put two new tires on in back and now we're sailing smooth up to 90 mph. If you need details you can check post #38 here:
http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...-expectations-off-Tire-balance-question/page4

Outside of that I plasti-dipped the front bumper corners and bumperette thingies. Mainly to test out how they looked black and because I've never done the plasti-dip thing and it seems to be all the rage in the 4x4 world. Oh, and my silver corners were pretty worn looking. Also did a quick wash and hand polish on the rig to give it a little luster. My GF broke her shoulder and needed to borrow an automatic trans car, I wanted to get the Volvo back so I got Montero all cleaned up for her use. It hadn't been washed since sometime (who knows when) before I bought it. Plus it has been sitting around getting dusty and being manhandled by my own and my mechanics greasy hands for much of the last 3 months. It was nice to see it all cleaned up.

Weekend wasn't all about the Montero though, so I'll start the pics with some nice new plants I got for the front yard...Needed a break from car stuff and was a great weekend for some planting:
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Here's the Montero all prepped for dipping
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How it looks after 1st coat
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I only did 2 coats. It was actually inappropriately cold to be spraying and I was itching to drive it, and go on a hike. So I had some difficulty peeling the masking without the "dip" coming off the pieces where I wanted it to stick. Had to do a little touch up here and there and the end result is not perfect but help me decide if I want to go black or keep silver.

Drove over to GF house to get take her dog and mine up on a little hike. Phone camera doesn't do well shooting into a tinted car with the bright sunny surroundings. Oh well
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