Mattress Options

LJRockstar

Adventurer
I spent my first night in my new Overland tent the other night. I discovered that the 2" thick foam mattress leaves a LOT to be desired! I'm not gonna be able to handle that mattress for 2 months! I would like to supplement it with an air mattress because of packability (<---is that a word:) ) I am trying to find out who makes the most durable Air mattress. I was thinking of the aero bed, but the drawback to that is that it has to be plugged into 110 AC. My parents have had one for years and never had a problem with it. I do have AC power in the trailer, but I would rather not have to completely rely on it.

Thanks in advance for all of your opinions and experience!
 

stevenmd

Expedition Leader
Hmmmm... might not fit your application but I have used a Great Land (Target brand) inflatable mattress (uses a rechargeable inflater) for the last two years. As long as you make sure the air vent to deflate it is properly in place, I have never has it go flat on me. I think I bought it on sale for $25.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
What is the problem with the mattress? I ask because you can replace it with new foam and by doing that you open a whole world of options. The mattress in my WilderNest is 3" thick and sleeps very well. I used a place up in Boulder, CO, for the foam, The Foam Source.

http://www.foamsource.com/

Basically, you can specify a few different things to get a mattress that will work for you. Closed cell foam has two main specs, density and indention load deflection (called ILD).

The density is a measure of the weight of the foam, which is more important if you are making a human power something and are very worried about weight and size. It is measured in pounds per cubic foot. It just tells you weight, a more dense foam does not necessarily mean it's more firm. A firm mattress can be light weight, but density does usually indicate how long the foam will retain it's firmness. A very low density foam will go soft faster as the walls of the cells flex and wear out. A dense foam will simply last longer and keep it's qualities longer.

The ILD is key to finding a mattress that is comfy. There are 2 measures in the standard for ILD. First is to take a 50 sq in 'indenter' (simply a roughly 7"x7" square ram) and compress a 4 inch thick piece of foam down to 3 inches. The other is to take the 50 sq in 'indenter' and compress a 4 inch thick piece of foam down to 1.5 inches. The amount of force required to compress the foam gives you a 25% (4" -> 3") and 65% (4" -> 1.5") ILD number. It seems most places use the 25% ILD to specify their foam firmness. Basically these numbers give you an equalizing spec to tell you when your body weight with whatever area lays on the foam, how much it will compress. You want it firm enough to support you but not feel like mostly cured concrete.

I used foam with a density of 2.6 lbs and a ILD of 35 lbs. This is a fairly dense foam. I'm 6'0" and go roughly 175 lbs. I compress into the mattress about an inch at the most. For your 2" thick mattress I might get something a little higher, maybe even 40 lbs ILD foam, but there's plenty of thickness to work with. I would call a furniture or RV upholstery place, they'll know all the ins and outs of foam and get you something that works.
 
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LJRockstar

Adventurer
wow that's a lot of good info Dave. My problem is that I sleep on my side mostly and after sleeping for about 2 hrs my shoulder was KILLING ME! So I rolled over, well shortly after that the other shoulder was killing me. it seems like the foam had completly compressed and I was sleeping on the plywood base that the floor of the tent is made of. I'm 6'4" and weigh in at a svelte 275lbs. (All muscle! :26_34_3: )

At home I have a memory foam mattress, and it is the best thing to happen to bed time since women. I was looking at a few things on the web, One of which I really liked, it's a 4" thick memory foam pad designed to go on top of a standard mattress. My concern with that is, I might not be able to completely close the tent with it inside and weighing in a 45lbs it's a little heavy. That is why I was looking at the aero bed. I have slept many very comfortable nights on the one my parent's have at their house. I like that idea for the weight and the fact that when deflated, it is almost like it isn't there.

I have the largest version of the overland tent. The sleeping area is between a king size mattress and a California King. I know it's only me that is going to to be in the tent most nights, but I have a tendency to travel around the bed while I'm sleeping, and there is the nights that I'm not the only one in the bed.;) ;) I would like my guest to be comfortable as well.
 

Clutch

<---Pass
I have tried various air matresses over the years. They always leak. I even bought one of those "self inflating" thermo rest. I do not care for it. I sleep on my side too.

I bought a sleeping pad from Sportsman Warehouse for Wildernest. I like it better than my own bed in the house.

You out weigh me by a 100 lbs. so I don't know if this is a good comparison. There is usually two of us in there, usually we are quite comfortable.
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
LJRockstar said:
wow that's a lot of good info Dave. My problem is that I sleep on my side mostly and after sleeping for about 2 hrs my shoulder was KILLING ME! So I rolled over, well shortly after that the other shoulder was killing me. it seems like the foam had completly compressed and I was sleeping on the plywood base that the floor of the tent is made of. I'm 6'4" and weigh in at a svelte 275lbs.

At home I have a memory foam mattress, and it is the best thing to happen to bed time since women.
A 2" thick foam mattress is a little tough to work with, but when you custom order foam the options are there to get something that will work better. The highest I remember was a 65 lb ILD foam, that was like laying down on a midly soft patio paver. I stood on it and my feet barely made it compress. The original foam was probably spec'ed based on two criteria. First that you were average height, average build (so 5'10" and 160 lbs or whatever) and second that it was cheap. The mattress for my 'Nest cost better than $100, so it's not necessarily cheap. But it is IMHO at least as nice to sleep on as our home mattress, maybe more for me.

But I would seriously look up a local upholstery shop and find a mattress foam that is more in line with what you want. I bet if you find a piece of foam that has a 45 or 50 lb ILD, it would work out fantastic with no need for anything thicker or to deal with extra air mattresses.
 

Mike S

Sponsor - AutoHomeUSA
In a fold over tent, the mattress is a major limiting factor in getting a compact packge. In my OverLand, I simply put a feather bed over the mattress, and sleep under a quilt. This provides more cushion, but a lot more sleeping warmth. But I am only 175 lbs. so, while this is great for me, it may not be enough for your comfort.

I reccommend that you consider a 1" thick memory foam pad on top of the existing matress. At 275 lbs. you are probably a bit over 'design spec' for the existing mattress, which works out well for most people. The goal should be something that can stay in place in the tent when folded, and add no significant time to set-up time.
 

Mike S

Sponsor - AutoHomeUSA
DaveInDenver said:
...The original foam was probably spec'ed based on two criteria. First that you were average height, average build (so 5'10" and 160 lbs or whatever) and second that it was cheap....

This is not the case. These mattresses are spec'd for occupant weight up to and over 200 lbs., insulative properties, and for long term durability. Cost as a consideration is way down the list.

As I posted above, the fold over design of any classic fabric roof top tent limits the thickness of matteresses that can be packed into them. Our Maggiolina tents, for instance, have a mattress that is over 3-1/2" thick - possible because the mattress rests on the top of the lower platform, and is never folded when the tent is stowed. In addition, the bottom of the platform is made of a glass and foam sandwich over 1" thick - which provides superior insulation, so that the matteress can be spec'd with more bias towards comfort. I am simply saying that these issues, along with total package size and weight require a balancing act in the specification of materials.
 

LJRockstar

Adventurer
Mike do you work for Autohome? I noticed the link in your signature. If so I have a few other questions! What does Autohome want you to do with the screen? there is no method of attachment at the bottom. I tucked it under the edge of the mattress but that's kind of a PITA when you are sitting on the mattress. I don't fully understand the bungee thing that goes inside the tent. The assembly instructions weren't much help. Is that bungee setup intended to be inside the tent all the time? Or only when closing the tent? Do I need to treat the canvas with anything? When cleaning it is there anything I should avoid using? Is there an adjustment for the poles that support the awning on the fixed side of the tent? They seem to be about 6" too short. Also It seems that maybe I should have more than 2 load bars under it, they sort of bounce like leaf springs when I hit a bump. Do you think that's ok? Every thing else seems to be top notch. I really like the shutters on the side vents. The mechanism with the orange string is so cool.

thanks for any help you can provide!
 

spressomon

Expedition Leader
FYI: I have the Overland tent. We have installed a nice fairly thickly padded synthetic king size mattress pad that adds a little more cushion and insulation. My wife, with a troublesome back, uses my Exped Down Air Filled Mattress in the Overland when she goes...for total comfort (I use it for backpacking for an awesome night's rest...). The mattress pad stays in the tent even when folded.

We also have a down featherbed that adds extra thickness and insulation but it is too thick to fold up in the Overland...and is kinda bulky/heavy...so we don't bother with it anymore...although it sure spoils ya!

FYI: We also tried a temp sensitive/memory foam mattress pad (2" thick) in lieu of the stock pad that comes with the Overland. However we discovered they get near rock hard if under about 65-degrees...that was returned after the first weekend of camping in the 40's at night...I like to drive on rocks but not sleep on them =8^)
 
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DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
Mike S said:
This is not the case. These mattresses are spec'd for occupant weight up to and over 200 lbs., insulative properties, and for long term durability. Cost as a consideration is way down the list.
Fair enough, I humbly take back the inexpensive comment. Still a decision has to be made to the characteristics of the foam and it's just apparently not firm enough for Erik. What are the specs for the foam? That could give him some idea where to start if he wanted to look for something firmer.
 

Mike S

Sponsor - AutoHomeUSA
LJRockstar said:
Mike do you work for Autohome? I noticed the link in your signature. If so I have a few other questions! What does Autohome want you to do with the screen? there is no method of attachment at the bottom. I tucked it under the edge of the mattress but that's kind of a PITA when you are sitting on the mattress. I don't fully understand the bungee thing that goes inside the tent. The assembly instructions weren't much help. Is that bungee setup intended to be inside the tent all the time? Or only when closing the tent? Do I need to treat the canvas with anything? When cleaning it is there anything I should avoid using? Is there an adjustment for the poles that support the awning on the fixed side of the tent? They seem to be about 6" too short. Also It seems that maybe I should have more than 2 load bars under it, they sort of bounce like leaf springs when I hit a bump. Do you think that's ok? Every thing else seems to be top notch. I really like the shutters on the side vents. The mechanism with the orange string is so cool.

thanks for any help you can provide!

LJ,

Yes, I work for AutoHomeUSA. Give me a call in the office - I'm back from Pyramid Lake now... 888-852-2359.

Mike S
 

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