My first 18 months with a DSLR.

juicebox

Adventurer
What a great thread.

I have been wanting to learn more about photography and I think this thread will be a big help.

Lost Canadian- I really like your photography. Whenever you post something new I show my girlfriend (a photographer) and we discuss just about every one. Thanks alot. :)
 

Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
Brian, the first shot you pointed to is me sitting by the pool. The red is my shorts, the yellow my lounge chair, and the blue the water. Too much sun that day perhaps.:elkgrin: Anyway, I purposefully attempted to strip away as much detail in the shot as I could, for the sake of this little exercise I do every once in awhile. For me the interesting aspect of the image is the vibrance of the colours. What I found interesting about it was that even though there is nothing clearly defined in the shot, the colours impart a certain, almost palpable energy. Strangly enough my two year old nephew (at the time) really reacted, almost manically, to that picture when I showed him. For a picture of almost nothing it was interesting reaction I thought.

For that second shot, your description is really intriguing to me. When I first looked at this shot I thought, "sobmer," and what you described is a certainly somber, if not grave. If the sky was a nice blue, and if the soccer net not illuminated by flash creating harsh contrast, I wonder if your reaction would have been the same. I almost want to go back to the same spot and do this over again on a bright sunny day, just to see the difference in reaction.

Thanks for chiming in too, I really appreciate it.



What would be your favorite lenses?
Probably my 50mm 1.8. I would say that 60-70% of the time that's the lens I use. I also like my 14mm 2.8 and 150mm 2.8 macro. Those 3 take up the bulk of time on my camera. I'm not a big fan of zooms.

What would you recommend as a first additional lens to buy? Telephoto? I like shooting outdoors (landscapes, animals, etc), and portraits of my kids.
Depends really. Wides are typically cheaper then tele's, and I find them more practical day to day. Tele's can be cumbersome, and you need more space to use them.
... just looking for more tips for the amateur.

Me too.:) Cheers fellas.
 
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buddha

Adventurer
Thanks for the reply, Trevor. Good info. I will check out those lenses. A macro is definitely on the list at some point, but not necessary right away.... wide angle may be the way to go first...
 

Every Miles A Memory

Expedition Leader
Great thread Trevor and I couldnt agree more with the "Learn Your Camera" part.

After years of thinking I needed a better telephoto or a wider lens or this or that, I finally told myself, "Im not going to buy one more thing for my camera this year, I'm just going to shoot what I have and learn every possible thing there is to know about my equipment."

Probably the best thing I ever did to improve my photography.

Carry your camera around with you 24/7 and know the buttons, the limits and how everything works without even having to look at the camera and your photography will improve ten-fold.

Now I like to mess with people when they say the only reason I can get the shots I get is because of my equipment. Sometimes I take a good shot with a point and shoot just to fool them:victory: It's only because I know that camera too.

Great thread and for only having your DSLR for that short time, I'd say you've come pretty close to knowing it like the back of your hand
 

sinuhexavier

Explorer
Good post Trevor...

After 19 years with a camera I still learn something new every time I shoot. The problem I have found is that as I have become busier I have less time to learn from my mistakes and take the time during the edit to self critique.
 

Photog

Explorer
Trevor,
The "Shorts by the Pool" image would be a great image for a graphic arts magazine cover. There is plenty of room at the top for title & text, etc. I really love the bold colors and simple geometric shapes.:Wow1::)

The "Somber" image would definitely get a different reaction with blue slies and natural light on the nets. They don't look like soccor nets to me. Not enough context. The story in the image would probably be completely different, if viewed by a soccor goalie.:)

I forgot to mention: I also love the fence-line in the snow.:wings:
 

Lost Canadian

Expedition Leader
Rebel against...: Continuing thoughts, rants, and some questions.

In point #4 of my original post I stated "become a painter." Expanding on that a little, unlike photography, most other arts mediums are not as restricted. The restrictions of the photographer, like the working light, angles, tones, etc., do not apply to other arts, at least not as much. Take painting for instance, painters have free range to create whatever light, angle, or tones they want. My friend had asked me today, "what are good photography references for learning about design?" I thought about it for a moment, and I told him he should go to the art gallery downtown.

And speaking of traditional art mediums, why is it that so many photographers act within one demension, why do so many never even take an interest in other mediums? I know there are those that do take an interest, but typically these people seem to be the exception. As I pondering this, and I think about how the traditional photographer works, creating photos in a methodical and organised fashion, often working at traditional angles and with traditional placements, is it no wonder that with such a restricted palette, many/most photographers create images that fall into the "forgetable category?" Is this the result of being told "these are the rules & techniques that you should use" to make a good photo? What happened to creativity? I wonder....

Now I'm not hinting to say that "rules and technique" are without merit, simply, I'm asking, should they be the photographers goal or even the main focus of photographic teaching? In my opinion, and from what I have seen, a technically perfect image is rarely perfect or even engaging. Many of the most inspiring images I have seen, have technical fault. But their raw visual imact is so poignant, so gripping, they transcend and overcome any technical shortcomings. So, what does that say? Personally, I'm starting to think that if I had one suggestion for an aspiring photographer, it would be to tell them that when someone else tells you "these are the rules," don't take it literally. These so called "rules" seem to be more of an aid for the beginner, to simply help them break out of bad habits. I do not think rules, in photography anyway, are intended to be "the be all to end all," and they certainly should not control a persons photographic view of the world, or the look of their photos. If you fall into the trap of strict adheance to rules or even estabilshied techniques you may be doomed to a portfolio of average or unoriginal images. I know this to be true because I have scrolled through many a photo website, and what l've noticed, is that most people create photo's of eerie similarity. Similar comps, similar looks, similar processing, similar subjects etc. Many times I can't help but look at these images for what they really are, a result of borrowed creativity, pawned off as original. To be unoriginal myself and to borrow a line from Joe McNally, you have to "put your camera in a different place," and do something different to make gains photographically. Imagine if Andy Warhol or Jackson Pollock resigned themselves to traditional painting styles. Would we know, or even care about their work? The same can be said for photography can it not?

So to bring this back around, the question I recently asked myself and the question I would suggest all photographers ask themselves, is, how do you see photography? Do you see photography as an art or a craft? The differences in the approach to each is what is key. If you call yourself an artist then how does your work differ from so many others?

Anyway, just some random ramblings. Perhaps I need to put the art books down.:elkgrin:
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Every Miles A Memory

Expedition Leader
Great comments Trevor!

I just recently said to my wife who photographs alongside me every day, "From now on, every time you get ready to press the shutter, think first if this is a picture that you'd look at and say 'Wow, that is a stunning shot!'"

So many times I see photographers just stand in one spot to take a picture. I usually snap one or two off in that standing, camera at head level position before I move to lying down, standing on top of something or moving 360 degrees (if possible) around the subject looking for a unique angle.

I also try to use either very wide angles or zoom in on a specific subject and pay close attention to the details rather than just shoot the entire scene.

I'm really loving the stuff you've been posting lately with the painting and abstract angles. It's not my type of photography, but I love looking at it and is something I might want to start playing with in the future.

It reminds me of oil paintings and I can see where you're getting your ideas from now that you show the books you've been reading.

I agree that photographer, painters and artists in general should look towards competing mediums to draw ideas from.

Great way to spur some creatitivity in us!
 

HEDLUX

New member
What I would recommend, is to actually go one step further. Take a class on/learn how to/ study drawing, painting, art theory, graphic design, color & design... etc.
These disciplines offer great methods and opportunities to see things differently. Especially drawing and painting which train you to study light and focus on its essentials. Which is inherently a common thread through all visual artistry. Photography is the capturing of that actual light we are so drawn too in the first place. In all actuality, light is the reason we are here.
These studies will affect your photography subjectively and visually. They
did for me anyway.
Oh, and follow your bent! ....there are no rules in art.
cheers,
Brian
 
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Photog

Explorer
RE: Post #22.

Trevor,
Many well known photographers see their photography as a craft. They are creating images of the natural world. Something like photographing natural history. They want to create very pleasing images of the things we see around us. Other photographers create this same type of work, except the subjects are man made; like trains, knives, vehicles, etc. Their goal to to create an image that makes the subject easily recognizable, pleasing, and no distractions.

Then there are photographers that are artists, and see their photography as an art form. Many of these folks are so Right-Brain, they get frustrated with the skills necessary to operate a camera, and controlling the light, etc. Abstracts, blurs, etc., are usually created by this group. This group also has a distaste for rules, and not just photographic rules.

I am very Left-Brain, and have to strain what is left or my Right-Brain to work on the "Artistic" types of photography. It is a huge struggle for me.

I don't see either approach as being better or worse. They are just different, and serve different purposes. I know they can both be marketed; but there will be many more clients asking for the craft than the art.

The term "Starving Artist" comes to mind.

As for the "rules". I have to start there, and let the image percolate for a while, before I really get anything I like. Much like Pat B., post #23.

Trevor, your artistic work is very pleasing, and I really like seeing it, throughout this forum.:)
 
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