New build and looking for some guidance

The General

New member
Hey guys, just purchased an M101 and would love some help:) Maybe a step by step process to get to where i want to be. This trailer for me is pretty much a toy for camping, will carry gear and have a bike mount for 2-4 bikes. I would like to run my stock jeep JK wheels, 32'', but other than that I'm open to ideas. Yes I realize there is a plethora of info on this site but some help woul be wicked while I'm spending my entire work day reading on this site:p I'm looking for a process...example, first you will need new hubs to fit the bolt pattern (correct?) Perhaps flip the springs to fit 32'' tires. What kind of shocks do I need...New seals...ect.

I'll post a pic as soon as I figure out how! Lol

Cheers and thanks in advance!
 

Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
Welcome to EXPO! youve picked the right place for this build. Plenty of people to help and plenty of information. For a restoration and build thread on another m101 ill link you here first. MarkHarley did an awesome job of redoing his and showed most things.
http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...y-trailer-to-build-a-family-hauler?highlight=
As far as building up your trailer it really is up to you. There are plenty of ways to go on every aspect. I chose to swap axles entirely instead of getting hub converters on my trailer. It cost me 120 for a brand new 3500lb axle in the length and bolt pattern I wanted. I believe the m101s already have spring over?? Dont remember anymore and shocks will be personal choice as well.
 

Chris Cordes

Expedition Leader
Oh and easiest way I have found to post pictures is to upload them on photobucket then copy the image link and paste it in the thread. It will pop right up!
 

The General

New member
Ok, so made a bit of progress. I stripped all hardware and had it sandblasted, also replaced the shocks:)

But my question for the day is...has anyone used their stock jeep JKU wheels and tires by doing nothing more than changing the hubs? They are a 255/75/17 and I believe the backspacing is 6.2. I had the trailer at a shop today to purchase the hubs and they were going to switch them over for a minimal charge BUT they had some concerns once the hub was off and ended up saying it would cost more and it still may not work. So they put it back and...here I am with questions...

The problems ended up being that the backspacing may not give enough clearance between the tire and side of trailer AND that they figured the pilot hole on the wheel was not large enough and may need to be machined (which im not doing). So should a standard hub work or is something special required? Do I need spacers or to use a wider axle? Also, the hand brake is siezed and I dont really have a need for it so will it make a difference if I use an Idler Hub instead of the drum?

Thanks muchly to anyone who helps me out:)
 

Matt

Adventurer
You'll either need to get wheel adapters or replace the stock axle with a new one.

I was in the same boat as you, wanted to run JK wheels and tires, but I wanted to keep the stock axle with the hand brake.
I had adapters made.

Also, You dont need to go SOA to fit the stock JK tires and wheels. I didnt. I made a new set of fenders instead, you'll probibly want new wider fenders anyway so they cover all of the tire.

The hand break is a nice feature. I really like mine! One side of my cable was siezed but I worked it loose by spraying it with PB Blaster. Put the end of the cable in the vice and jerked on the outer sheath and broke it loose. Hosed it down more, worked it back and forth to work the crud out, greased the cable up and re installed it. Works great now! You can buy replacement brake cables too if it isnt salvageable.

Check out the link to my build thread below. Its an M416 but will give you an idea of what stock JK tires and wheels will look like without lifting your trailer.
 
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Matt

Adventurer
Sure they do, but wheel adapters are probably half the cost of a new axle. If it aint broke, why fix it?
 

The General

New member
Ok so summer is finally here and making some more progress with the 101. I dropped it off yesterday to have the lid fabbed...going with a simple design out of aluminum to keep it light. A shoe box lid with 2'' angle aluminum covered with .1 sheet of aluminum. 4 aluminum braces evened out running through the center. A full length piano hinge with a couple 60lb shocks mounted inside. I also picked up a roof rack and rails off of an explorer sport for 20$ at the wrecker so that mounted to the lid to run a basket and bike trays. All said for the lid supplies/material and labor as well as the rack (I have the basket) I'll be in for about 700$. If anything I've said sounds like it wont work let me know and maybe I can catch it before they've gone too far!! lol

I do have a couple questions....

1. For the wheels as I asked about earlier...can I simply run a wheel spacer with new hubs to fit my JK stock wheels? I think it the axle dust cap that interferes? If so what size do I need? I've read that a 2'' spacer is preferred but would 1.5'' work? Or 1.75''?

2. After having the trailer sandblasted there is some hollowed out areas where there were seams...so I picked up some Rust-Mort which I believed I can poor into the seams and leave over night...then rinse out...BUT before I used it I read the instruction which say to not use on sand blasted metal. So what should I do....just fill the seams with silicone and hope for the best or what? Most of the seams are inside so they wont see much moisture but still better safe than sorry...

3. I was going to paint the underside and inside of the tub with "rubberized rocker guard". Why? Because its cheap and I already have 4 cans. Anyone used this stuff with good or bad results? I liked the idea especially for the inside as it would hopefully minimize nose from items bouncing and also wear on anything from vibrations...

4. When painting the trailer what's the process? Can I use self etching primer and then paint? Do I use primer and then por-15 and then paint? I'm going rattler can it myself.

I think that's it for now. Any help is immensely appreciated guys. CHEERS:)
 

Septu

Explorer
Saw Sams in person when we wheeled Whipsaw a couple years ago. A very slick looking trailer. Gregs looks not to shabby either. Just need to make my way over to the island sometime to check it out.
 

The General

New member
General You have a Canadian M101 correct?

This is a great build by Rubicon Fan.

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...for-M101-builds-My-quot-RubiChaser-quot-build

Greg B Has a great build on his RED M101 too!

http://www.expeditionportal.com/for...-quot-Way-too-Red-quot-Build-Thread-(finally)


Hey, yup M101cnd is correct. Ya both of those links are great and the one gave me some information on painting with por-15 which was good. I dont know how much I want to spend on the paint or how much time I want to spend doing it...maybe I'll just silicone the seams and prime and paint it?

Questions 1,2,3 still up for grabs:)
 

The General

New member
Well I picked up the trailer today from having the lid fabbed. Overall I am happy with the lid...it fits well and works which I suppose is the most important! But overall the welds look a touch rough and there are a few things that I'm disappointed in. I'm finally getting around to posting some pics so here we go with some of the progress.

Dropping it off to have it sand blasted...here I made 2 mistakes. 1. I shouldn't have blasted it and just grinded some of the rough spot down. 2. I stupidly let it sit in my garage over the winter with out priming or painting it.

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VanIsle_Greg

I think I need a bigger truck!
1. For the wheels as I asked about earlier...can I simply run a wheel spacer with new hubs to fit my JK stock wheels? I think it the axle dust cap that interferes? If so what size do I need? I've read that a 2'' spacer is preferred but would 1.5'' work? Or 1.75''?

I think you might be right with the stock wheels and the hub on the stock axle. It is a beefy unit, and I don't know why so many ditch it for a less stout factory setup. You might be able to buy spacers or adapters to go from the stock spacing to the JK spacing, but I simply replaced the factory drums and went to 5 on 4.5 drums from Princess Auto for $59.00 each on sale. Worked for me, but not for your 5 on 5 spacing. You can pick up reasonable prices 5 on 4.5 - 5 on 5 adapters that are also spacers...not sure what you would need, 1.75 "might" work. Simply measure from the drum face to the cap... there you go.

2. After having the trailer sandblasted there is some hollowed out areas where there were seams...so I picked up some Rust-Mort which I believed I can poor into the seams and leave over night...then rinse out...BUT before I used it I read the instruction which say to not use on sand blasted metal. So what should I do....just fill the seams with silicone and hope for the best or what? Most of the seams are inside so they wont see much moisture but still better safe than sorry...

I had the same issue. I treated the tub (as per my build thread) with POR 15 Metal Prep after cleaning out all the rust I could. I then flushed it, dried it with a leaf blower (don't laugh, worked awesome) and then treated those spots with POR 15. The POR in POR 15 is "Paint Over Rust" as in it chemically changes Ferrous Oxide (rust) to an inert state and stops it. It also sticks like mad. I used the flat finish in the inside of the tub and the outside before I did the Monstaliner. It bonded VERY well, and is highly recomended. You can also buy a quality automotive seam sealer, they are paintable and stick to anything. You can seal the seams on the outside and the tub then simply paint over it. Done. The M101 CDN 2 is made of metal far superior to the old M416's of the 1960's and so on, and they will last a LOT longer if protected.

3. I was going to paint the underside and inside of the tub with "rubberized rocker guard". Why? Because its cheap and I already have 4 cans. Anyone used this stuff with good or bad results? I liked the idea especially for the inside as it would hopefully minimize nose from items bouncing and also wear on anything from vibrations...

I used the same thing under. They came from DEW engineering with a rubberized coating under them, similar to the stuff you noted. I pressure washed mine underneath and ground down the rusty spots, treated it all with Semi Gloss POR 15 and then hit the flat panels with undercoat. There was little to no rust, and my trailer was not one of the "Unused ones" mine saw a lot of use. Worked awesome, looks mint under there still. Inside I am not sure how well it will stand up? You can buy Duplicolour Bed Kits at Can Tire for about $70 bucks... it is activated and will dry harder and more durable than the non activated rattle can rocker paint. You might be able to get away with the rocker paint, but it may end up not lasting and costing more in the end. Whatever you do make certain it is the PAINTABLE stuff... the non-paintable will melt if you hit it with any top coat and will be a messy disaster (ask me how I know).

4. When painting the trailer what's the process? Can I use self etching primer and then paint? Do I use primer and then por-15 and then paint? I'm going rattler can it myself.

YES. Self etching is a very good idea. You can also just use POR 15 as a base (after you metal prep it with POR 15 Metal Prep) and top coat with something you like. I used roll on urethane bedliner inside, Monstaliner. It is a 2 component product, and works amazingly well. HIGHLY recommend it, would use again in a blink. Plus you can get it tinted to any colour you like. Anyhow, do not use rattle cans, they do not build enough MIL thickness, and you will get a good finish that will not last. You went through the process to blast it (don't worry, it was not a bad move), treat it to a proper paint job!

I think that's it for now. Any help is immensely appreciated guys. CHEERS:)

Hope some or any of my ramblings help!
Greg
 

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