New Defender Rage/Hate Thread
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Blaise
Well-known member
Sorry but I was asking about anywhere in North America. I asked specifically earlier for that.
EXACTLY. Look up top on the 'overlanding the Olympic peninsula' post which is CLEARLY an ARB advertisement. I hang out in the Olympics all the time. Notice how there's not a single technical section anywhere in the pictures. But they have to mention engaging their ARB LOCKERS to make it down some NF roads. We own a crosstrek that could do 99.99% of what we do in the Rover. We use the rover because its quiet and comfortable and *if* we end up with mud or a washout we can make it through. And we can heat our passengers' butts in the back seats
Cmon guys - just admit that you're addicted to excess. Unless you're looking to find some insane technical challenges, a stock LR3/T4R/WranglerNotRubicon/ZR2/etc are all OVERLY capable.
OVERLANDING IN THE OLYMPICS (prius not shown on same road)
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EricTyrrell
Expo God
So while LR is busy dropping flamboyant glider-pilots into the back of D5s, and unloading tea-sets from Luxfender side-lockers, Tesla unveils a stainless bullet-proof truck featuring a polarizing but unforgettable design. Then in the reveal, while LR's flower-arranging designer waxes poetically about the few concessions they made to the original, Tesla takes a sledge hammer and steel balls to it.
Don't get me wrong; it's not what the new Defender should be at all, but it's refreshing to see a manufacturer that has a spine and can design something interesting.
Don't get me wrong; it's not what the new Defender should be at all, but it's refreshing to see a manufacturer that has a spine and can design something interesting.
nickw
Adventurer
I had a quick peak at the specs of that OKA, relative to it's weight, it doesn't have a particularly high payload nor towing capacity. Looks like it's trading payload capacity for articulation/capability, which obviously works for what it was designed for, but again there are engineering trade-offs somewhere. It also uses parts commonly found on domestic American vehicles, Dana axles, Allison trans and Cummins engine. With that said, it is very cool! Can you share purchase price$?Check out the Australian built OKA.
Probably, although much of their work is straightening the chassis of overloaded twin cabs.
OKA 4WD, Australia's Original Expedition Vehicle - 4WDAUS
3 OKA emodels, XT, LT and NT. These models were available in a variety of body styles including cab-chassis, single cab, dual cab, multi cab and bus.www.4wdaus.com
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Peter
OKA196 motorhome
I'm betting something like this is a fraction of the price and has very similar capacities, lighter overall weight, MUCH more power along with a drivetrain as strong if not stronger and sourcing parts is probably easier:
Ram RT25 Supertourer By PCOR Is An Epic Off-Road Adventure Vehicle
Patriot Campers Off Road in Australia creates specialized, rugged vehicles that can carry a range of supplies for camping or simply enjoying the outdoors.
www.motor1.com
Don't get me wrong, your OKA is super cool and I bet it's relatively simple to work on to boot.....I don't see why more of these types of vehicle don't exist...
E.g.
F350
Curb: 2,880 kg
Towing: 6,800 kg
Payload: 2,230 kg
OKA
Curb: 4,770 kg
Towing: 4,500 kg
Payload: 1,730 kg
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EricTyrrell
Expo God
How about, anywhere. Can't go anywhere too far from civilization and its repair centers without reliability-anxiety setting in.
So the simple coil/leaf, IFS/solid rear, and dual-solid axle vehicle are "OVERLY" capable? Then why are we wasting our time with Rube Goldberg suspension LR gimmicks?
So while LR is busy dropping flamboyant glider-pilots into the back of D5s, and unloading tea-sets from Luxfender side-lockers, Tesla unveils a stainless bullet-proof truck featuring a polarizing but unforgettable design. Then in the reveal, while LR's flower-arranging designer waxes poetically about the few concessions they made to the original, Tesla takes a sledge hammer and steel balls to it.
Don't get me wrong; it's not what the new Defender should be at all, but it's refreshing to see a manufacturer that has a spine and can design something interesting.
Why would you want bullet proof windows (which turned out was easily smashed btw)? And why do you think a car you can take a sledge hammer to is good? It means that even in small bumps, it is your body absorbing the impact. And it also means you're way more likely to kill someone if you hit them - especially with that ridiculous pointy and sharp front.
Edit: I just realised Eric posted in the Defender thread about the new Tesla "pickup". I'm sorry, I shouldn't have replied.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
Yes, but it will just as useless off-road as LR whatevers with coil-spring conversions. They only purpose they good for on trails is a winch anchor.
You wanted "simple". I said it was an option. Go buy a Mahindra or a Wrangler.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
It's probably a POS, but it's interesting and polarizing. People want interesting, they want fun. If it doesn't sell itself, it'll remind people that Testla exists. Not everyone is a Honda Freelander driving automaton. I nearly fell asleep in the Defender reveal, but this was one long ******.
A lot of the features it has will make it not legal in a lot of places (too dangerous for people getting hit) and the rigidity of it will make sure it will not get a passing grade at ncap etc. But hey, It's Tesla, so who cares about stuff like that.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
Yeah, you missed a few properties there. The Bronco might be close. We'll see. Ford can still design something useful. Then again, it might just end up a mullet magnet.
Blaise
Well-known member
1. Again, what are you basing this on? The Defender is not available yet. I regularly go WAY outside of any repair center range and I'm not anxious.
2. Because the LR is more comfortable? That's why I drive an LR3 instead of a wrangler or T4R, etc. It's nice to be comfortable when doing many miles in the car, off road or not. IFS/IRS and EAS is a wonderful thing!
It's funny how I asked a dozen times for any place you can't drive a stock modern rover in America, and the only answers besides Australia (heh) and a buggy trail in CO has been 'well, well, well, it'll just break down!'
Just admit you're addicted to excess. And excess is fine - but I'm not going to compromise ride quality and comfort for capability I will never use. I think a large portion of people on these boards with heavily modified vehicles are doing so with the fantasy of finding a place they'll actually need it. That's why I when I took a year to drive around North America I got myself a nice lifted Xterra Pro-4X with sliders, 33s", etc.... and DIDN'T NEED IT. I learned my lesson. We are 1000x happier in the more comfortable vehicle.
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No I didn't. You wanted solid front and rear axles. I didn't miss anything. Although, the Mahindra might actually not have a solid front axle. So I guess you will have to go Wrangler.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
1. I'm basing it on what any non-delusioned person understand about Land Rovers, and which has been reflected in their resale values, online reviews, personal anecdotes, data, etc since, well as long as memory serves.
2. Stock coil LRs have very comfortable rides, until some ************** swaps in XHD springs. The P38, where LR actually put an ounce of development into solid axles, rode absolutely wonderfully. Solid axles don't have to ride terribly. If LR can make IS emulate a solid axle, an impressive and sophisticated feat, they can figure out how to make a solid axle behave.