EricTyrrell
Expo God
lol. It's an even greater stretch to call it an 80/86/88/90/107/109/110 successor.
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New Defender Rage/Hate Thread
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lol. It's an even greater stretch to call it an 80/86/88/90/107/109/110 successor.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
That's not how it's positioned. They're attempting to gaslight consumers by repeatedly posting pics on social media of the two next to each other. It's a forced and desperate attempt to convey lineage.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
Relative to the competition at the time, they were impressive.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
Checked out Jonathan Hanson's blog today and came across a few posts you JLR fangirls might enjoy..
In 2011 Land Rover unveiled a concept for a new Defender called the DC100. The looks of the prototype were so universally panned that it vanished within weeks and was never seen again.
Until now.
Eight years later Land Rover has unveiled the actual new Defender. And, pardon me if I’m being myopic, but—at least in photos—I’m having a devil of a time distinguishing a revolutionary change in styling from that short-lived concept.
More soon about the advertised capabilities—which are impressive—and the option packs, some of which border on eye-rolling in their pandering to millennials seeking to appear more rugged than they really are. I don’t think I could stand to tick an option box called the “Adventure Pack.”
So do you respect what this guy has to say? Because if you read some of his other comments you’d see he agrees with a lot of stuff the pro new Defender guys have been saying. In fact he matches my opinion almost exactly. https://www.google.com/amp/www.expl...itive-thoughts-on-the-new-defender?format=amp
EricTyrrell
Expo God
It says a lot when someone has to make an effort to say something positive about a product. It appears he's still trying to get JLR to let him drive one.
Here's another notable one, echoing much of what I've highlighted before.
Gonna be honest Camel Trophy was not low environmental impact either. I mean even Jeep is going after the high speed off road market now. Also considering Land Rover bought Bowler it’s not surprising they would go after the high speed off road market. I mean look at the Ford Raptor and Ranger Raptor they’re popular because of their high speed off road performance. In fact IIRC Land Rover had a engineer from the original Ford Raptor project on the New Defender project. Plus the kind of stuff they’re showing it doing is hard on suspension components and the frames of vehicles. Some of the jumps they’ve show the Defender doing would absolutely destroy most stock midsize and full size vehicles. A Raptor is really the only thing that competes with what they’ve done with the Defender. The difference is the Defender can fit down tighter trails and will carry a payload better.
It will be really interesting when some of you get to see and drive the new defender. I find it simply stunning the amount of preconceived ideas, determinations and “knowledge” in this thread.
True, the new defender isn’t the defender we know and love. I walk right past my collection of modern, built Toyota’s to drive my 130. It holds a pretty special place with me. As does my NAS 90.
Where JLR may have gone wrong is in continuing to build essentially the same car for so many years. Very minimal updating really happened, and very few of the incremental changes happened over the years.
The new defender is such a massive evolutionary leap, people weren’t ready for it. Had jlr made periodic evolutions to the name, I think it’s reception would be massively different
In reality. Those of you insistent upon it not being a “real” defender can buy essentially exactly what you claim to want. A new defender. HHH, arkonik, a multitude of operations will gladly supply what you want.
True, the new defender isn’t the defender we know and love. I walk right past my collection of modern, built Toyota’s to drive my 130. It holds a pretty special place with me. As does my NAS 90.
Where JLR may have gone wrong is in continuing to build essentially the same car for so many years. Very minimal updating really happened, and very few of the incremental changes happened over the years.
The new defender is such a massive evolutionary leap, people weren’t ready for it. Had jlr made periodic evolutions to the name, I think it’s reception would be massively different
In reality. Those of you insistent upon it not being a “real” defender can buy essentially exactly what you claim to want. A new defender. HHH, arkonik, a multitude of operations will gladly supply what you want.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
I'm not concerned about the environmental impact of doing a rally car impression down a dirt road, or CT which had nearly zero impact relative to logging and mining operations they ventured past. We're not talking destroying unique ecosystems or dumping trash, inexcusable acts. I'm concerned about the irresponsible stupidity of glamorizing high speed driving in public off-road areas. Like the luxury Defender, the Raptor isn't actually targeted at an actual off-road market, it's a Range Rover for Hoonigan bro wannabes. There are few areas in the US where it's possible to actually use a Raptor as engineered, but they sell well because there's a huge market of stupid people. It's a one trick pony design for a subset of a subset of terrain, and objectively worse everywhere else. Am I surprised JLR is going after this trashy market? No, they're after edgy millennial with money to spend on lifestyle statements. It seems "As slow as possible, as fast as necessary" has been replaced with something like "Balls to the walls, YOLO!"
calicamper
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Back to my Rav4 and CRV comparison they are far simpler machines and likely nearly as capable and possibly have more interior space. Or not. But simple fact is the Rover will be a rare odd ball thing and yes likely impossible to get repaired anywhere other than major metro locations making it a poor Moab choice.Here - this article might engender rage and hate.
"The new truck, with all of its computer-controlled components, runs the risk of being too complex, too hard to modify, and just not rugged or dependable enough to be a serious off-road machine, not to mention its high price tag and expensive parts. So, here are 15 SUVs that you could buy for less than a new Defender, and that might serve you better as serious off-road vehicles."
15 Cheap SUVs We'd Buy Instead Of A New Land Rover Defender
The Defender is a legend among SUVs, but the new one runs the risk of being too expensive and not rugged enough to compete with serious off-roaders.www.hotcars.com
EricTyrrell
Expo God
As I've pointed out before, it was not inevitable that had the Defender evolved at sufficient pace to stay ahead of regulations, that it would resemble the current offering. The fashion Defender is not the result of prophecy, but of the current culture at JLR, and specifically the vision of a designer who dislikes off-road driving.
How about a "real" modern Defender? HHH, Arkonic, offer restored and improved classics, but are far from modern products. Apples to apples, the closest modern successor (with few caveats) is an FCA product, a disappointing conclusion to LR's history of utilitarian vehicles for the working class.
That’s funny right there. ?You mean like this?
EricTyrrell
Expo God
You mean like this?
What we see there is an example of graceful evolution in a branched product line. The 50 series was an ugly, but sensible wagon variant which included many features of the 40. From 50 to 200, it is a straightforward evolution. The 200, while much changed, is devoid of ridiculous styling gimmicks and serves the same people in the same way. Any attempt to draw comparison between this and the Defenders is a stretch of logic.
EricTyrrell
Expo God
Reading the front page article, Tom Sheppard Reviews the Suzuki Jimny, it struck me how similar it was to how a review of an honest Defender successor should have read..