New High Altitude Dual Axle Model for ROA?

Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

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I prefer the trailer to be a vehicle to get you to a place to camp then let the legs and lungs bring you into the wilderness. All these off road youtubers treat the trailer like its the recreational toy . Like an atv or motorcycle
 

Treefarmer

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Here are a couple pix: Starting up the Stair Steps at Seven Mile Ridge at Moab, and on the Sonora Pass heading up to Leavitt Lake in the rain.View attachment 768200
It's definitely all about how the owner wants to travel/live. We personally need the room and CCC of a dual axle. That said, we would never do the crazy stuff you're willing to do. We just want to get farther away from the other trailer campers and get closer to the good hiking. What you call an access road, we call a nice day hike.?
 

Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

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Yes living full time in your trailer is a whole different realm. If you damage your rig getting to crazy on the off road you would have to live in the service center parking lot for a few months. Unless you have a service center in your back yard.
 

DFNDER

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Yeah, I can see the benefits of dual axle for bigger trailers, but wouldn’t want the extra weight and expense on mine either, but then again, I’d never want to haul 6,000 lbs around either. Just too much to even think of it as camping. Have never had an issue with tracking or highway driving with two wheel trailers.
 

Raspy

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We've gone across the country three times in the last few years and I love to camp in both good weather and bad. I don't plan my nightly stops along the way, but prefer to go until I see something interesting, or get tired. There is zero setup with these kinds of trailers and I can spend a week or more very comfortably way out off the beaten path. That is where great hikes start and end. Good examples are being in the center of the total eclipse, in Idaho, in the National Forest far away from city lights, or camping on the Tennessee River in Muscle Shoals, Alabama. Or Camping up off the Colorado mining roads, way up at 10,000 ft, or at Smoky Mountain, Utah on the top of a butte. Or on the coast at Usal Beach in CA with five miles of one lane dirt to get there. Or my favorite, Saline Valley Hot Springs with a 50 mile plus rough dirt road to a beautiful oasis. Once in those places, I don't care what the weather does. A Jeep with a small pop-up can get farther in, but the experience offered once there, with no setup, or the long highway sections with overnight stays at rest areas or truck stops is much more suited to a little larger trailer that can stealth camp un-noticed. Each of us must do it in our own way. I camped on the ground, next to my dirt bike for a long time. Then a shell on the truck, then a van, and finally a good trailer of reasonable size of about 20-25 ft., which is the size where tandem axles make sense. But these are not cheap stickies with no winter protection or hanging down underneath plumbing, these are capable off-road units designed for this use. And going farther back in does not mean breaking stuff. I'm not there to prove I can weld my rig back together, but instead to see Country I would not otherwise see and get away from the crowds, or weekend warriors. Pop-ups are great for more extreme duty, but I do not want to set one up in a parking lot, or rest area, especially in the rain at midnight, or as a stop for lunch on the way to my destination. My friends have them, and in the snow or blowing wind, they are not that great. While traveling across the Country, it is surprising where good places to stop can be found, and with a good trailer that requires no setup, nobody is likely to notice you are there. Texas, for instance, has some very nice picnic areas that are not designed for camping, but are perfect for trailers. Arkansas has the most beautiful rest areas that are more like parks, but not to be used with tents. I've ducked in under an overpass during a Texas raging hail and rain storm, in the middle of the night, anticipating a tornado. When we parked later, rain was pouring off the trailer like we were parked under a waterfall. It was so much fun looking out the window at continuous lightning. Then there are lazy days in the hot desert, where a stop for lunch can include running the AC from the batteries in a highly insulated trailer. Phoenix and Las Vegas are good examples of this. 110 degrees outside, 70 degrees inside. And again, zero setup. My Rubicon stays at home during these trips.

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Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

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Sans the crazy winter camping ( rather be skiing powder) there are several hardsided stand up offroad campers under 4k gwr that can do everything mentioned here on a single axel. Someday soon I will retire and not be a weekend warrior. Cool adventures
 

FordGuy1

Adventurer
They also add a lot more weight and eat up valuable space from the huge wheel wells. Which is a deal killer for a lot of folks so I wouldn't pivot to far especially when 90% of the trailers on your lot are single axel.
I love dual axle, but what you stated is exactly why I went with a Kimberley. It has so much room for a small trailer. It tows fine, and does very well off-road, as good as a dual axle, no. Lots of trailers that go dual axle, and don't build wheel wells to keep from losing the room, they sit way to high.
 

Raspy

Active member
Ya I noticed how high that Roamer 1 outdoor kitchen sits at armpit height. Power to us single axel guys!!
Yeah, it's pretty hard to get the stove much lower on a high ground clearance trailer. I don't know what that has to do with single axle vs tandem. The griddle on the R1 is about 45" from the ground and was partially dictated by the pass through opening already on the trailer.

By the way, I have nothing against single axles on smaller trailers where a single is entirely appropriate. You may have missed my point on this. But at some trailer length, the single axle begins to have a much worse departure angle and worse off-road ability. This is not about arguing for one instead of the other in general, just picking the right one for the length and weight of the trailer, considering the intended use. I'll always choose the tandem on larger trailers. Especially ones intended as off-road caravans. The Black Series HQ15 is a good example of this situation. It is at a transition point where it may not be long enough to demand a tandem, but its single is not that great either. The suspension and wheels are overloaded with the single wheels and it could use a better departure angle. The HQ12 is also a single, but the geometry of it is incorrect and it is an unstable towing trailer. It cannot benefit from the advantages of a tandem axles and it is really too short to need them if balanced correctly. The HQ19 has tandem axles and tows very well, as well as being reasonably good off-road for such a large trailer. The X22 is another example. A tandem system that is good off-road in spite of it's square body panels with no cutaway area at the rear. There are no hard and fast rules about where one system becomes better, just a general guide. I don't understand arguing one is better because it may have an affect on the stove. Smaller lighter trailers- single. Larger heavier trailers- tandem. Somewhere in between, select tandem.
 

Treefarmer

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Yeah, it's pretty hard to get the stove much lower on a high ground clearance trailer. I don't know what that has to do with single axle vs tandem. The griddle on the R1 is about 45" from the ground and was partially dictated by the pass through opening already on the trailer.

By the way, I have nothing against single axles on smaller trailers where a single is entirely appropriate. You may have missed my point on this. But at some trailer length, the single axle begins to have a much worse departure angle and worse off-road ability. This is not about arguing for one instead of the other in general, just picking the right one for the length and weight of the trailer, considering the intended use. I'll always choose the tandem on larger trailers. Especially ones intended as off-road caravans. The Black Series HQ15 is a good example of this situation. It is at a transition point where it may not be long enough to demand a tandem, but its single is not that great either. The suspension and wheels are overloaded with the single wheels and it could use a better departure angle. The HQ12 is also a single, but the geometry of it is incorrect and it is an unstable towing trailer. It cannot benefit from the advantages of a tandem axles and it is really too short to need them if balanced correctly. The HQ19 has tandem axles and tows very well, as well as being reasonably good off-road for such a large trailer. The X22 is another example. A tandem system that is good off-road in spite of it's square body panels with no cutaway area at the rear. There are no hard and fast rules about where one system becomes better, just a general guide. I don't understand arguing one is better because it may have an affect on the stove. Smaller lighter trailers- single. Larger heavier trailers- tandem. Somewhere in between, select tandem.
A good example of a single vs dual axle off road is the video you did with ROA in Moab. It was an HQ19 and an HQ15 taking on the same road. The single axle HQ15 handled the trail, but the larger dual axle HQ19 made the trail look easy.
 

FordGuy1

Adventurer
Yeah, it's pretty hard to get the stove much lower on a high ground clearance trailer. I don't know what that has to do with single axle vs tandem. The griddle on the R1 is about 45" from the ground and was partially dictated by the pass through opening already on the trailer.

With some of the new dual axle trailers, they are keeping the entire tires area/suspension below the floor. They do this to pick up room vs. having a wheel well that goes inside the body, taking up valuable room. This makes the trailer much higher, you lose wheel travel, and when parked, the trailer does not lower down enough. My trailer lowers all the way down so that it only uses two small steps to enter, and makes the outdoor kitchen the proper height. I do with it was dual axle though.
 

Obsessed2findARuggedHybid

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Yeah, it's pretty hard to get the stove much lower on a high ground clearance trailer. I don't know what that has to do with single axle vs tandem. The griddle on the R1 is about 45" from the ground and was partially dictated by the pass through opening already on the trailer.

By the way, I have nothing against single axles on smaller trailers where a single is entirely appropriate. You may have missed my point on this. But at some trailer length, the single axle begins to have a much worse departure angle and worse off-road ability. This is not about arguing for one instead of the other in general, just picking the right one for the length and weight of the trailer, considering the intended use. I'll always choose the tandem on larger trailers. Especially ones intended as off-road caravans. The Black Series HQ15 is a good example of this situation. It is at a transition point where it may not be long enough to demand a tandem, but its single is not that great either. The suspension and wheels are overloaded with the single wheels and it could use a better departure angle. The HQ12 is also a single, but the geometry of it is incorrect and it is an unstable towing trailer. It cannot benefit from the advantages of a tandem axles and it is really too short to need them if balanced correctly. The HQ19 has tandem axles and tows very well, as well as being reasonably good off-road for such a large trailer. The X22 is another example. A tandem system that is good off-road in spite of it's square body panels with no cutaway area at the rear. There are no hard and fast rules about where one system becomes better, just a general guide. I don't understand arguing one is better because it may have an affect on the stove. Smaller lighter trailers- single. Larger heavier trailers- tandem. Somewhere in between, select tandem.

My comment on kitchen height vered off topic as I was watching the yt vid on the R1.

I was kidding trying to pit duel axel against single. That's silly. Your comment was that folks had two choices a 20+ foot 6k lb rig (duelly) or a jeep trailer pop up (single axel). My point is that there are light weight stand ups like my TM that are 19 feet long and can't go dully or they wouldn't be light anymore.
 

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