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[JLee]

GX470's are spectacular. Coil conversions are cheap/easy/common and solve the rear air suspension problems.

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[Tex68w]

But why do they suck? I'm not trying to argue with you. I wouldn't mind if the Tacoma had disc brakes. My main reason would be the ease of brake service. But performance wise? Really can't give a good reason.

Discs are superior because the dissipate heat better and they have less fade while under load. Drums get it done, but when every other mid size in the Tacoma's class has rear disc brakes and all at a lower price point then it really isn't acceptable by today's standards regardless of performance numbers.

 

[Mrmrswelch]

I have always thought that the Tacoma really appealed to the person who wants to drive a truck, but never do anything with it. This statement is evident by the lack of "structure" and supporting running/stopping gear to handle anything other than a few passengers and some groceries. Not to say that people don't overland and make the best use of their rigs, but there is even a thread currently in the updating queue about someone trying to increase GVWR on one. The brakes are insufficient, the engine coupled with the gearing are optimized for empty weight at highway speeds, and when Toyota started using GM parts, it was a real turnoff.

The GX470 is a tried and true Land Cruiser. You can heck the 6x6 model code on the door jamb if you don't believe me, (UZJ120-XXXXXX). They are built in Japan with superior craftsmanship, materials, and engineering. Case Closed.

The only reason I drive a first generation Tundra at the moment is because of necessity. If I had it my way, I'd be driving an FZJ80 or a GX470.

 

[phsycle]

I have always thought that the Tacoma really appealed to the person who wants to drive a truck, but never do anything with it. This statement is evident by the lack of "structure" and supporting running/stopping gear to handle anything other than a few passengers and some groceries. Not to say that people don't overland and make the best use of their rigs, but there is even a thread currently in the updating queue about someone trying to increase GVWR on one. The brakes are insufficient, the engine coupled with the gearing are optimized for empty weight at highway speeds, and when Toyota started using GM parts, it was a real turnoff.

The GX470 is a tried and true Land Cruiser. You can heck the 6x6 model code on the door jamb if you don't believe me, (UZJ120-XXXXXX). They are built in Japan with superior craftsmanship, materials, and engineering. Case Closed.

The only reason I drive a first generation Tundra at the moment is because of necessity. If I had it my way, I'd be driving an FZJ80 or a GX470.

If you look at the under carriage of the GX, then a LC/LX, you will see how much more robust the Cruisers are. Sorry, GX is nice but no Land Cruiser.

 

[Dalko43]

If you look at the under carriage of the GX, then a LC/LX, you will see how much more robust the Cruisers are. Sorry, GX is nice but no Land Cruiser.

GX is a LandCruiser Prado..as is the 4runner. As robust as a LC? Probably not, but that's nitpicking because they're still extremely reliable and robust vehicles in their own right. The 4.6l (used by the GX) has gone to 1 million miles in other applications.

 

[nickw]

GX is a LandCruiser Prado..as is the 4runner. As robust as a LC? Probably not, but that's nitpicking because they're still extremely reliable and robust vehicles in their own right. The 4.6l (used by the GX) has gone to 1 million miles in other applications.

"Probably"...its not a question, they are absolutely not...LCs are more robust in every way. Not to say Prados are not great rigs, but they are without a doubt built to a different standard.

 

[phsycle]

GX is a LandCruiser Prado..as is the 4runner. As robust as a LC? Probably not, but that's nitpicking because they're still extremely reliable and robust vehicles in their own right. The 4.6l (used by the GX) has gone to 1 million miles in other applications.

Once I saw someone selling a Prado handbag in NYC. Fake. Land Cruiser Prado is a fitting name for the GX/4R. I say that in jest, but really, you can't say they're in the same league. Don't put too much weight on the 1MM mileage, either. I'm sure it was pretty much all road miles, which Camry's and Civics have done (and gasp! Ford's and Chevy trucks have gone past that mileage as well!)

 

[nickw]

I have always thought that the Tacoma really appealed to the person who wants to drive a truck, but never do anything with it. This statement is evident by the lack of "structure" and supporting running/stopping gear to handle anything other than a few passengers and some groceries. Not to say that people don't overland and make the best use of their rigs, but there is even a thread currently in the updating queue about someone trying to increase GVWR on one. The brakes are insufficient, the engine coupled with the gearing are optimized for empty weight at highway speeds, and when Toyota started using GM parts, it was a real turnoff.

The GX470 is a tried and true Land Cruiser. You can heck the 6x6 model code on the door jamb if you don't believe me, (UZJ120-XXXXXX). They are built in Japan with superior craftsmanship, materials, and engineering. Case Closed.

The only reason I drive a first generation Tundra at the moment is because of necessity. If I had it my way, I'd be driving an FZJ80 or a GX470.

Semantics aside, Prados are not Landcruisers....in the engineering and automotive sense, they fill very different roles and built to a different standard.

4runner/Prado/Tacoma/Hilux all have much more in common....

 

[Mrmrswelch]

Semantics aside, Prados are not Landcruisers....in the engineering and automotive sense, they fill very different roles and built to a different standard.

4runner/Prado/Tacoma/Hilux all have much more in common....

In the engineering aspect, the 4Runner and Prado are more closely related to the First generation Tundra, which formally is the where the increase in frame strength and drive train came from. The Tacoma following the 2005 update is nothing but a glorified T100

 

[Tex68w]

Well in some markets the Prado is sold as a 'Prado Land Cruiser', but while they share the same moniker with the 200-series they are in fact very different vehicles in very different classes in terms or build specs, quality, and of course price. The 70-series trucks are labeled as Land Cruisers as well and yet again they fall into a very very different class of vehicle. So while they might all share the name 'Land Cruiser' at the end of the day they are all very different vehicles targeting different markets, needs, tasks, demands and price points.

 

[GTV]

Count me as another who hates the seating position of the Tacoma. Feels like I’m sitting on the floor and somehow I still would find myself ducking down to see out upper areas of the windshield. And I’m only 5’11”.

 

[Dalko43]

Once I saw someone selling a Prado handbag in NYC. Fake. Land Cruiser Prado is a fitting name for the GX/4R. I say that in jest, but really, you can't say they're in the same league. Don't put too much weight on the 1MM mileage, either. I'm sure it was pretty much all road miles, which Camry's and Civics have done (and gasp! Ford's and Chevy trucks have gone past that mileage as well!)

These vehicles are built by the same company, in the same factory, with very similar design philosophies....they're at least in the same league, perhaps not in the same ballpark.

As for domestics going 1 million miles...yeah its possible, but is it probable? 10 year old 4runners and Tacoma's fetch a much higher resale value compared to their domestic-designed counterparts for a reason.

Semantics aside, Prados are not Landcruisers....in the engineering and automotive sense, they fill very different roles and built to a different standard.

4runner/Prado/Tacoma/Hilux all have much more in common....

4runner/Prado have very little in common with either the Tacoma or the Hilux.

 

[phsycle]

As for domestics going 1 million miles...yeah its possible, but is it probable? 10 year old 4runners and Tacoma's fetch a much higher resale value compared to their domestic-designed counterparts for a reason.

Can you please site examples of million mile 4Runners and Tacoma’s? Since you make it seem like a regular thing, and not something that takes lots of maintenance, money, and most importantly, luck. Please share so people will know you never ever talk out the side of your neck. ?

I found one. But there’s gotta be SO many more.

One Million Mile 2008 Tacoma Owner Proudly Advertises His Tacoma’s Longevity

Mike Neal owns a 2008 Toyota Tacoma. He also happens to have driven it over 1 million miles. But that is not the most remarkable part of the story. Meet the man and his truck that have partnered together for nearly 1.3 million miles.

www.torquenews.com

 

[nickw]

These vehicles are built by the same company, in the same factory, with very similar design philosophies....they're at least in the same league, perhaps not in the same ballpark.

As for domestics going 1 million miles...yeah its possible, but is it probable? 10 year old 4runners and Tacoma's fetch a much higher resale value compared to their domestic-designed counterparts for a reason.




4runner/Prado have very little in common with either the Tacoma or the Hilux.

They all have more in common with one another than any of them do with the LC, which was the point. They share axles and diffs, sim payload, sim towing, sim dimensions and sim purpose in the Toyota line up. In overseas markets the Prados share many drivetrain options with Hilux.

 

[Dalko43]

Can you please site examples of million mile 4Runners and Tacoma’s? Since you make it seem like a regular thing, and not something that takes lots of maintenance, money, and most importantly, luck. Please share so people will know you never ever talk out the side of your neck. ?

I found one. But there’s gotta be SO many more.

One Million Mile 2008 Tacoma Owner Proudly Advertises His Tacoma’s Longevity

Mike Neal owns a 2008 Toyota Tacoma. He also happens to have driven it over 1 million miles. But that is not the most remarkable part of the story. Meet the man and his truck that have partnered together for nearly 1.3 million miles.

www.torquenews.com

There are at least 2 examples of 4.6l Tundra's going to 1 million miles...one of those examples got quite a bit of coverage. Very similar engine to what the Gx460 uses.

Not saying its common, but certainly there is a good case to be made that Toyota 4x4's generally hold up better over the long run. If you don't agree, that's fine...

They all have more in common with one another than any of them do with the LC, which was the point. They share axles and diffs, sim payload, sim towing, sim dimensions and sim purpose in the Toyota line up. In overseas markets the Prados share many drivetrain options with Hilux.

The LC Prado/4runner/GX460 literally has nothing in common with the Hilux or the Tacoma (both of which are unique platforms) other than some common engine options.

No one is arguing that the LC prado is the same as LC 200 or LC 70 series, but it does carry over a lot of the same design philosophies, especially in terms of being over-engineered.