OBD monitors

[aljenau]

Hi, does anyone have any thoughts on the OBD monitors that one can find on ebay/amazon etc?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ELM327-O..._Parts_Accessories&hash=item232cddcdca&_uhb=1

Where is the plug likely to be in a 97 Canter?

Does this model even have OBD?

Thanks all

Alan

 

[SkiFreak]

In my experience, the Fuso ECU does not output a standard OBDII data stream.
I have tried 4 different OBDII scan tools on my truck (2010 FG84D) and none of them have worked.

I am not familiar with the electronics in a '97 Canter, but I highly doubt that it is OBD compliant.

 

[mog]

Hi, does anyone have any thoughts on the OBD monitors that one can find on ebay/amazon etc?

Two good threads on the Fuso's OBD-II and MUTT-II are HERE and HERE

Does this model even have OBD?

If your '97 is like my '02 it is under the passenger glove box (mine is a USA model, so hold photo upside down and backwards for Downunder)

Although it has a plug, it does not plug & play with any readers I have tried.

 

[kerry]

Mog, do you know if the system will flash codes if a couple of terminals are jumped like the early OBDI systems?

 

[SteveG]

Hi, does anyone have any thoughts on the OBD monitors that one can find on ebay/amazon etc?

http://www.ebay.com.au/itm/ELM327-O..._Parts_Accessories&hash=item232cddcdca&_uhb=1

Where is the plug likely to be in a 97 Canter?

Does this model even have OBD?

Thanks all

Alan

What's the goal in getting this?

 

[mog]

Mog, do you know if the system will flash codes if a couple of terminals are jumped like the early OBDI systems?

Yup, flashes (and clear) work as per the manual.

 

[SkiFreak]

What's the goal in getting this?

Without the error codes output by the ECU is is extremely difficult to do any fault finding.
You can normally get the error blink codes with some bridging in the fuse panel, but this is more difficult to read, especially if there are multiple errors being reported.

The vehicle can go into limp mode if the ECU gets a dodgie reading from a sensor. Knowing that this is what has happened is next to impossible to diagnose without the error codes.
If it's a sensor that is at fault, it may be as simple as cleaning the electrical contacts to resolve the problem.

The joys of using computer controlled engines...

 

[selfy]

my 97 canter has no ECU (as far as I know) its all mechanical injection
FG637 with 4D33 engine

 

[SteveG]

Without the error codes output by the ECU is is extremely difficult to do any fault finding.
You can normally get the error blink codes with some bridging in the fuse panel, but this is more difficult to read, especially if there are multiple errors being reported.

The vehicle can go into limp mode if the ECU gets a dodgie reading from a sensor. Knowing that this is what has happened is next to impossible to diagnose without the error codes.
If it's a sensor that is at fault, it may be as simple as cleaning the electrical contacts to resolve the problem.

I understand all that. Being able to retrieve fault codes from the ECM is key in diagnosing a computer-controlled drivetrain.

The joys of using computer controlled engines...

Agreed. It is a joy to use a system that will, at minimum, give you some direction as far as where to look for a problem.

I posted the question in case I was missing something. There are simpler and possibly more informative tools for retrieving OBD information. I vote for a corded, stand-alone code-reader. A decent one is not that much more than the one linked by the original poster and will not rely on a questionable interface. Keep it simple! Fewer potential points of failure generally results in... fewer failures!

 

[SkiFreak]

I posted the question in case I was missing something. There are simpler and possibly more informative tools for retrieving OBD information. I vote for a corded, stand-alone code-reader. A decent one is not that much more than the one linked by the original poster and will not rely on a questionable interface. Keep it simple! Fewer potential points of failure generally results in... fewer failures!

That would be nice, but try and find a scan tool like this for a Fuso/Canter. As mentioned, the data that comes from the ECU is not in a standard OBDII format, so finding any tool that can read this data is a challenge.
If you know of any specific tools, please post information about them here. I am sure that there would be quite a few people interested in that information.

 

[mog]

That would be nice, but try and find a scan tool like this for a Fuso/Canter. As mentioned, the data that comes from the ECU is not in a standard OBDII format, so finding any tool that can read this data is a challenge.
If you know of any specific tools, please post information about them here. I am sure that there would be quite a few people interested in that information.

I agree with SkiFreak ! Any tool other then the gillion dollar MUT-II would be nice.
I'm hoping that when Gait returns from his travels he is going to figure all this out for us :drool:

 

[pugslyyy]

I agree with SkiFreak ! Any tool other then the gillion dollar MUT-II would be nice.
I'm hoping that when Gait returns from his travels he is going to figure all this out for us :drool:

I am seriously considering ordering one of these - http://www.aliexpress.com/item/2013-best-sell-Mitsubishi-MUT-3-for-cars-and-Fuso-trucks-Mut-3-Mut-III-Scanner/847222696.html

 

[SkiFreak]

When I click on your link Pugslyyy I get an error, but copying and pasting the link into the browser works. Don't know exactly what is going on there...

I have spent quite a bit of time looking at these Chinese clones of the MUT-III reader and I too am considering getting one.
Something to note... In the product description of this particular unit it states that it can do "ECU reprogramming". For most of these clones they need a separate flash card which includes the relevant coding on it to do this task. This unit does not appear to come with that.

I did find one manufacturer that says they have included the reprogramming circuitry on the main board, eliminating the need for the flash card. If I do end up getting one of these units, that's the one I will probably get, as it's about the same price (also from AliExpress).
Remember, these units are clones, not the genuine article. It's quite a bit of money to spend in the hope that they actually do what they say they will do, but as I have mentioned previously, these MUT-III readers seem to be the only devices out there that are capable of reading the data stream that comes out of a Fuso/Canter.

I have been holding off buying one myself in the hope that someone else would be the ginnea pig and confirm that they actually work. Care to take on that role Pugslyyy?
PM me if you want the link to the MUT-III reader I described.

 

[SteveG]

That would be nice, but try and find a scan tool like this for a Fuso/Canter. As mentioned, the data that comes from the ECU is not in a standard OBDII format, so finding any tool that can read this data is a challenge.
If you know of any specific tools, please post information about them here. I am sure that there would be quite a few people interested in that information.

Ahh, Sorry, guys. I didn't realize this application required a manufacturer-specific scan tool... my bad!

 

[mog]

... In the product description of this particular unit it states that it can do "ECU reprogramming". For most of these clones they need a separate flash card which includes the relevant coding on it to do this task. This unit does not appear to come with that.

I did find one manufacturer that says they have included the reprogramming circuitry on the main board, eliminating the need for the flash card. If I do end up getting one of these units, that's the one I will probably get, as it's about the same price (also from AliExpress).

The ability to 'reprogram' ECUs would be outstanding. I could see a knowledgeable person (Pugslyyy in the US ?) being able to offset the cost of one of these units by offering custom Fuso ECU programing for a fee. I'd sign-up.