OME Springs "Handedness"... True?

[sven]

FWIW, I recently fitted a set of OME MD springs to my D1...no leaning at all. I used the handed set (taller on drivers side). I also noticed the stock springs are the same way. I was a little weary of fitting medium duty, but they are great for my needs (daily driver/state forest trails).

 

[Desertoutpost]

EE is a great shop but how are they establishing their matching skills against that of actual engineers who have designed and built coils for many long years?

This is starting to go the way of the "bumper thread" and turning into a debate about large companies vs. small guy shops?

I went with OME, I have NO lean.

Golo4 has two sets and one has lean one does not.

Go ask this on dweb and see the response, they have specific application data based on your DII, on the portal you are going to get a mixed bag from all the manufactures, which in this case is not data which will help you.

Good luck

 

[R_Lefebvre]

EE is a great shop but how are they establishing their matching skills against that of actual engineers who have designed and built coils for many long years?

This is starting to go the way of the "bumper thread" and turning into a debate about large companies vs. small guy shops?

I went with OME, I have NO lean.

Golo4 has two sets and one has lean one does not.

Go ask this on dweb and see the response, they have specific application data based on your DII, on the portal you are going to get a mixed bag from all the manufactures, which in this case is not data which will help you.

Good luck

Well... EE really isn't doing much "engineering" on it. It seems they are really un-engineering what OME has done.

I don't know which is right. On the one hand, we have OME, a reputable company who has elected to do this. On the other hand, I'm personal friends with an engineer who selects springs for trucks for an OEM, and he says they don't worry about this. They set spring load based on curb data, meaning, no driver. And in any case, I'm disinclined to buy from EE in the first place.

I have asked on Dweeb, well, a slightly different question, and so far it has only attracted the typical useless smartalec response. Very difficult to get good info out of that site.

 

[Go4Lo]

do you have the SLS system? if so then i would go with A/B set up in the front and the truck will keep itself level.

If you do not have SLS then either go with EE's setup or you can buy the 4 coils from OME and swap the rear two, meaning A on passenger side and B on driver's side. when i was running Jeep's many did this with TJ wranglers and it balanced out perfectly. i.e. front driver's "A" and rear passenger get's "A" coil.

regardless the lean is hardly noticable on the truck. i only notice it because i know what i'm looking for, but the avg. person you would never be able to tell unless someone pointed it.

 

[Desertoutpost]

Very difficult to get good info out of that site.

You just have to wade through most posts to get to the nugget. Either way you will make your choice and move forward. The important thing is to get out there and enjoy your travels, the rocks and dirt do not know you are leaning!

Good luck.

Maybe you should ask Louis what he is running?

 

[R_Lefebvre]

do you have the SLS system? if so then i would go with A/B set up in the front and the truck will keep itself level.

If you do not have SLS then either go with EE's setup or you can buy the 4 coils from OME and swap the rear two, meaning A on passenger side and B on driver's side. when i was running Jeep's many did this with TJ wranglers and it balanced out perfectly. i.e. front driver's "A" and rear passenger get's "A" coil.

regardless the lean is hardly noticable on the truck. i only notice it because i know what i'm looking for, but the avg. person you would never be able to tell unless someone pointed it.

Crossing them up is the absolute last thing I'd do. That's a recipe for terrible handling. Maybe not a big deal in a truck, but I just... have been around cars too much, I'd never consider it.

Maybe you should ask Louis what he is running?

I believe Louis is running RTE springs?

 

[Desertoutpost]

I believe Louis is running RTE springs?

Okay. You know where I stand if there is anything else just pm me. :sombrero:

 

[rripatti]

FWIW, i have a 96 5-speed with manual seats, no sunroof etc. I have the OME HD suspension with matching OME shocks and steering damper. The truck raised by approximately 1 3/4" per side. The ride is definitely firmer but not crashing (progressive rate), handles MUCH better and leans far less despite being just under two inches taller (increasing COG etc).

The truck is raised very evenly and i have the specific side springs. there is no lean on either side.

My other car is a C5 Z06 so I can certainly appreciate a good handling suspension as opposed to just making the truck taller. The OME fits the bill of a very well engineered suspension package.

hope that helps!

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Okay. You know where I stand if there is anything else just pm me. :sombrero:

No, what do you mean? You're just recommending the OME as-designed?

That's kinda the way I'm leaning, I think. One important point, is I'm hearing the OME lifts are about 1.5-2", whereas the RTE usually ends up being closer to 3", even for the advertised 2" lift.

One important point to all this lift talk... it really depends on how much your truck weighs.

The part that surprises me though, is I can stand on my front bumper, and the truck doesn't sag *that* much. Maybe 1/2". Is it absolutely mandatory to get springs right away? Anybody rolling around with a winch bumper and stock springs?

 

[rripatti]

Hi Lefebvre,

Hope you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh? I'm 6'5 and 254lbs, with the HD OME, it goes down about 1/2 inch if i stand on the front end. much more so when i had the stock suspension.

No, what do you mean? You're just recommending the OME as-designed?

That's kinda the way I'm leaning, I think. One important point, is I'm hearing the OME lifts are about 1.5-2", whereas the RTE usually ends up being closer to 3", even for the advertised 2" lift.

One important point to all this lift talk... it really depends on how much your truck weighs.

The part that surprises me though, is I can stand on my front bumper, and the truck doesn't sag *that* much. Maybe 1/2". Is it absolutely mandatory to get springs right away? Anybody rolling around with a winch bumper and stock springs?

 

[Christophe Noel]

And in any case, I'm disinclined to buy from EE in the first place.

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That's a bummer. EE seems very supportive of Overland Journal, this forum and the members within.

I bought my OME springs and shocks from EE a year ago. Went from the box to my Disco with no lean. For the record, my springs were still in the factory box, taped shut. There was not lean. Well....there was some lean in the first few weeks as everything settled, but that had nothing to do with the left/right of the springs.

This all seems much ado about nothing, really.

Lastly, I'm no Disco Genius, but the factory ride hieght is pretty wimpy. Toss on a heavy bumper and a winch and I bet the front end would have the clearance of my wife's Toyota Solara. Who knows....maybe that's why you want the winch, because with the factory ride stance you'll need it. Adding 2" of lift and one size bigger tire made my rig a different beast.

 

[Go4Lo]

Crossing them up is the absolute last thing I'd do. That's a recipe for terrible handling. Maybe not a big deal in a truck, but I just... have been around cars too much, I'd never consider it.



I believe Louis is running RTE springs?

i'm confused:smilies27 you asked for advise and experience....so that is what everyone here is giving you yet you are conflicting every response?

there is maybe 3/8" difference in the height of the springs so, respectfully speaking, i don't this is as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.

it's pretty simple to swap the coils around on a DII to play with different set-ups to get it dialed in correctly.

 

[Go4Lo]

This all seems much ado about nothing, really.

my point...exactly.

 

[Desertoutpost]

You're just recommending the OME as-designed?

Yes I am. It works and has been tested and proved to work in OZ it can work for my application, who are we kidding, I will never use my truck to that extent, I dream I will and want too, but in reality I'm not going to do a trans-contiental expedition in my Disco, a run to Death valley yes!

As I said in an earlier post, I feel you want to argue/debate large shop vs. small shop as you have in the past with other threads. you have even came out and said you would not do biz with one? It is you choice, I, golo4 and others all offered sound, real world advice, but you want to continue to debate.

I would shop at EE anytime, Ho and John seem to be great guys and offer great products, like Steve at Rovertym and others. My only issue is when these small shops want to re-engineer something arb or ome have spent thousands of dollars on engineers to design and test.

This read is all something about nothing...

Just go and explore that is what it is really all about, forget the bolt ons!

 

[R_Lefebvre]

Hi Lefebvre,

Hope you don't mind me asking, how much do you weigh? I'm 6'5 and 254lbs, with the HD OME, it goes down about 1/2 inch if i stand on the front end. much more so when i had the stock suspension.

I'm 170.

That's a bummer. EE seems very supportive of Overland Journal, this forum and the members within.

Yeah? I dunno... I've just not had a warm feeling with them. I called for advice the other day and... Didn't really like how the conversation went. Maybe I need to talk to Ho instead.

I bought my OME springs and shocks from EE a year ago. Went from the box to my Disco with no lean. For the record, my springs were still in the factory box, taped shut. There was not lean. Well....there was some lean in the first few weeks as everything settled, but that had nothing to do with the left/right of the springs.

This all seems much ado about nothing, really.

Ok, so you ended up getting them handed right from EE, and there was no lean? That's good, then maybe I don't need to worry about it. Sorry if I'm making a big deal out of nothing, I just was trying to confirm what's on EE's webpage and it doesn't sound like it's worth worrying about.

Lastly, I'm no Disco Genius, but the factory ride hieght is pretty wimpy. Toss on a heavy bumper and a winch and I bet the front end would have the clearance of my wife's Toyota Solara. Who knows....maybe that's why you want the winch, because with the factory ride stance you'll need it. Adding 2" of lift and one size bigger tire made my rig a different beast.

If find the ride height to be pretty decent compared to most other trucks. I didn't buy it for rock crawling or mud bogging, but to go on logging roads and trails. I just don't want to lift the truck much for a lot of reasons. I got 245/75/16 tires so I don't have to lift it to clear. I don't want the higher CG, wind resistance, getting into drivetrain problems, etc. I'm trying to avoid "mod creep" where you do one thing, which then requires another, etc...

i'm confused you asked for advise and experience....so that is what everyone here is giving you yet you are conflicting every response?

there is maybe 3/8" difference in the height of the springs so, respectfully speaking, i don't this is as big of a deal as you are making it out to be.

it's pretty simple to swap the coils around on a DII to play with different set-ups to get it dialed in correctly.

Uh, and I'm taking most of it. Seems most think running with the handedness isn't a big deal. That means I could buy the springs anywhere, which is good.

But, I won't cross up my springs. I just won't knowingly do that. Sorry.