Todd780
OverCamper
And on that note, even if a 3rd party remote start can be installed, will Toyota block it from functioning as well since it may need to access similar systems as a factory remote start?
(partially) new Tundra coming?
- Thread starter bkg
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Watt maker
Active member
That could be a possibility.
Beyond remote start and other conveniences, being connected to google and Toyota, will they constantly monitor our driving habits, locations, miles and who are they sharing that information with? Your insurance? Is this the gateway to getting taxed per mile driven? Granted, most of us are already being tracked with our phones but is Toyota taking things too far? I also realize Toyota isn’t the first to do this but I don’t like it.
PirateMcGee
Expedition Leader
Toyota is removing features and charging more for it. They must want to become Porsche.
-no front recovery locations (still unbelievable to me)
-no more driver grab handle
-no more fob remote start without a fee
-smaller interior
What I'm seeing for real-world gas mileage so far is pretty bad too. TFL just drove one from TX to CO and got just over 18mpg. That's worse than my semi offroady NA V8 did on virtually the same trip with 1 less transmission gear. Heck my dad's 18' Tundra limited will pull 18mpg on long trips.
-no front recovery locations (still unbelievable to me)
-no more driver grab handle
-no more fob remote start without a fee
-smaller interior
What I'm seeing for real-world gas mileage so far is pretty bad too. TFL just drove one from TX to CO and got just over 18mpg. That's worse than my semi offroady NA V8 did on virtually the same trip with 1 less transmission gear. Heck my dad's 18' Tundra limited will pull 18mpg on long trips.
rruff
Explorer
That's an anecdote. Uphill and into the prevailing wind... not remotely a decent mpg test.
I don't expect the new model to be as big an improvement over the old as the EPA would suggest, since the Toyota appears to be designing specifically to do well on that test (like everyone else), while they did not on the old Tundras. EPA on the old one is 13 city/17 highway/14 combined (very close to Fuelly data) and the new one is 17 city/23 highway/19 combined ... a whopping ~36% improvement. I'd expect around half that in reality.
BTW, no driver grab handle on my 2016 either. Rumor is there was a big lawsuit from someone hitting their head on it...
Todd780
OverCamper
Why would that not surprise me?
Sue, sue, sue....
rruff
Explorer
Why would that not surprise me?
I wondered if it would come back due to people falling and cracking their heads on the pavement, trying to climb in the damn thing...
Maybe the front tow hooks are gone for a similar reason? A shackle coming through the window, and a lawsuit...
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
Tfl thinks the tow hook delete was a combo of aero drag and pedestrian crash ratings- but all the other manufacturers have them so that’s a lame excuseI wondered if it would come back due to people falling and cracking their heads on the pavement, trying to climb in the damn thing...
Maybe the front tow hooks are gone for a similar reason? A shackle coming through the window, and a lawsuit...
Todd780
OverCamper
I'm going to guess cost cutting.
Or.... maybe you'll be able to get tow hooks as part of a Toyota subscription package???
nickw
Adventurer
I think you gotta look at from a % improvement perspective, old Tundra is rated @ ~18 mpg hwy while new Tundra is rated @ ~24 mpg hwy which is about a 30% improvement....so same trip, same conditions, same person driving you probably will see in that 23-24 in the new one. That seems about right, the F150's I've driven with a sim engine platform (3.5 EB) get low 20's on long flat trips driving reasonably.
PirateMcGee
Expedition Leader
It's really nothing new for Toyota. Their power to gas mileage ratio has always been on the low end. My old 22re trucks were rated at 116hp and got about 18mpg haha.
I've put 10s of thousands of miles on a couple of work 3.5 eco boosts (f150 and expedition). Real world (stock 4wds with 6 and 10speed) has been about 17-18mpg. I've seen 21 mpg occasionally too but any kind of load really kills the mileage even on stock tires and I expect the Tundra will end up the same or maybe 1mpg better. All that said, I almost ended up with a super cab 3.5 payload package fx4 F150. However, the dealer would not come down from 47k+ for an xl trim which is way too much for a truck with a super basic interior and an already rusting rear end.
I won't be in the market again any time soon but I do love watching the direction car manufacturers go and I'll be curious to watch how the platform responds to real world use and mods. Of more interest will be the next gen Tacoma and Ranger.
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rruff
Explorer
It's actually 17 mpg hwy, EPA... 13 city, 14 combined. I think those new high numbers are from tuning the truck to do well on EPA tests, which Toyota did not do on the old Tundra. Based on Fuelly the 3.5 Eco F150 gets ~15% better mpg than the old Tundra. I don't expect the new Tundra to do better than that.
plainjaneFJC
Deplorable
My 2.7 eco 4x4 with 34” a/t’s seems to get around 17.5, like you I can’t imagine 3.5 ecos getting low 20s.
bkg
Explorer
elaborate, if you don't mind. would be curious of a deeper review.
I'm hearing rumors of a lot of them being in dealer for turbo and alternator issues...
Todd780
OverCamper
Drove decent, fit and finish seemed good. Maybe if I drove a limited? Just figured the TRD O/R would be comparable to a 302a F150.
No USB's in back of Tundra.
Preferred flat floor in the rear of cab in the F150
Shifter felt better in Tundra (more solid shifts)
Tundra had a steering wheel heater.
Still felt I sat too low in Tundra (might have gotten used to it though?)
Didn't notice puddle lamps of box light
No adjustable pedals
Toyota app (that they will charge for) only has 1.6 stars out of 5 on App Store. Lots say issues pairing.
Not that I'm huge into screens, but the f150 offered a larger screen,
Had puddle lamps and light in the box.
Fit and finish seemed good too.
Adjustable pedals
4.5 stars out of 5 for Ford Pass app -Free so far. Not just a trial period
More room in back seat
USB and USB-C plus 12v power outlet for rear passengers.
Subtle but nice touch is cupholders are high up on rear doors.
Never drove a 3.5 Tundra or an Ecoboost before. Due to weather couldn't really get on it. Tough to really tell a difference between the two.
I'm sure they'd both be adequate for what I'd need.
hard to say. Ford just felt like I was getting more for my money. Buuuut.... my dilemma is how will these things hold up after a couple hundred thousand miles?
Tough to say. But my gut says Toyota *may* fair better? Crap shoot though. That's where I'm torn. I wish I liked the Tundra more so it would be an easier decision...
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