waveslider
Outdoorsman
I believe that was the same issue we had with them, hence the "brand" comment.
Problem with EC wheel (mounting and discoloring)
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Aussie Iron
Explorer
Yes I air down and up regularly and have never had a problem. You can't put the beads that I'm using in through the valve stem and have to break a bead to put them in. There is also a special valve available that has a filter end on it that is suppose to stop even "tyre sand" from being a problem.
That is a problem with glass, ceramic or plastic beads. They break down from rubbing on each other. Moisture has not been a problem with mine but I will say that I might only change pressure a couple of times a day when I do. Not saying it won't happen but hasn't yet.
Dan.
Mock Tender
Adventurer
Hi guys- Back where there is internet. The remounting of the weights to outside of where they would rub on the front rotor worked like a champ for about 80 miles. Then I heard a bling, bling, bling and the steering wheel began to shake again. Not nearly as much, but Beads sound pretty good to me right now. I will have to say- I love Newfoundland- but their roads are gawd-awful. Give me dirt or gravel any day.
Ski Freak- sounds like a good idea- never thought of them- never had a wheel that needed to be reversed when you rotated them. Live and learn.
Ski Freak- sounds like a good idea- never thought of them- never had a wheel that needed to be reversed when you rotated them. Live and learn.
SkiFreak
Crazy Person
Just for clarity...
I stuffed up when dimensioning that image. The holes for the studs should be 20mm, not 22mm as I had indicated.
westyss
Explorer
Hi John, Doing good!
Thanks for the info, I have no experience with beads but seems like a good idea, just surprising about them not conflicting with the valve, thought for sure it would?? As for airing down, well I will air down for even a trip of say 5 km's for a more comfortable ride so end up airing up and down often, technology taking over I would assume the beads would improve and moisture not be such a factor so may be worth a look.
Hope all is well with you
Yves
westyss
Explorer
Thanks Dan, Some one please explain to me how these beads don't get sucked into the valve stem and interfere with the seal in the valve stem? Why doesn't it happen? Inquiring minds want to know.... am I right to say that the beads you use are large enough that they cannot enter the stem?
Aussie Iron
Explorer
I say that both of these answer are right. I've not had a problem and yes you can't put the beads that I use through the valve stem. Talking to the "Tip Top" tyre rep they sell tyre sand to balance tyres (can be put in through the stem with valve removed) and can supply a special valve that has a little filter on the end that stops the sand from getting into the valves. I have bought some of these valves but have not fitted them as I'm not having a problem.
Dan.
Mock Tender
Adventurer
I contacted the Fuso dealer that I bought the truck from- letting him know that I have not been able to keep the front tires in balance and curious as to what he thought? His reply was that he suspected that perhaps my Cooper St/maxx's were slipping on the rims. After that, I marked the wheels and tire so- but after about 100 miles of relatively smooth road (for Newfoundland) everything still lines up. But there is no doubt that I am out of balance.
unkamonkey
Explorer
Slipping on the rims? BS. I spent a few years bumping tires in a shop and have had a few issues with my FG. Wheel being bent, tread seperation or a very out of round tire are what comes to mind first. A person doing spin balance should be able to see what's going on.
pugslyyy
Expedition Vehicle Engineer Guy
Heh, that's a "don't bother me with your problems" answer.
From your photo, that seems like an awful lot of weights on the rim. How much did they add?
Mock Tender
Adventurer
Okay back to internet. In Nova Scotia now- already pining for New Foundland. Just so we are clear- the dealer that sold the truck is not the person that mounted or spin balanced the tires. So- he has not seen the truck ever (he delivered it directly to my daughters house from the port of entry) and just trying to help. As I said, after his comment, I marked the all four wheels and tires to see if there was any movement. After about 180 miles, I believe their is as much as 1/64 of movement on the front tires and the right rear- left rear none. The wheel looks is slightly ahead of the tire in all cases. I will continue to observe and see if my observations continue. If they do- stainless steel balancing beads would make a hell of a lot of sense.
Just so I am clear- tires originally mounted on EC wheels in Colorado. Some wobble and braking indiosyncrasies, but as the miles went by it smoothed out. Popped right rear tire in northern Newfoundland and a 3 week wait for a new tire. All tires balanced and rotated. Right away I could hardly hold on to the wheel and braking was horrible. After 2 miles returned to tire dealer and discovered the need to put the balancing weights as far to the outside to keep from keeping wheel from seating on hub. Rebalanced and remounted tires. Perfect for first 80 miles, then steering wheel vibration. Went back and both front tires were out of balance. I watched the guy balance all the tires the first time and then again this time. Left shop and from the beginning there was a little wobble. Got worse each day. Then I marked the wheels and tire and this is what I have seen. I was a tire jockey in my youth on Kodiak, Alaska 40 years ago, and I don't remember tires that were appropriate for the wheels moving either- but you now know what I am seeing.
Mark
Just so I am clear- tires originally mounted on EC wheels in Colorado. Some wobble and braking indiosyncrasies, but as the miles went by it smoothed out. Popped right rear tire in northern Newfoundland and a 3 week wait for a new tire. All tires balanced and rotated. Right away I could hardly hold on to the wheel and braking was horrible. After 2 miles returned to tire dealer and discovered the need to put the balancing weights as far to the outside to keep from keeping wheel from seating on hub. Rebalanced and remounted tires. Perfect for first 80 miles, then steering wheel vibration. Went back and both front tires were out of balance. I watched the guy balance all the tires the first time and then again this time. Left shop and from the beginning there was a little wobble. Got worse each day. Then I marked the wheels and tire and this is what I have seen. I was a tire jockey in my youth on Kodiak, Alaska 40 years ago, and I don't remember tires that were appropriate for the wheels moving either- but you now know what I am seeing.
Mark
Aussie Iron
Explorer
Myself, I'm of the opinion that there is something else going on. Do the wheels spin true on the vehicle when it is jacked up.
Dan.
Should never have happened. Got to be another problem.
Dan.
dtruzinski
4 Season Traveller
try rotating them to see if the problem goes away. I was in the market for a steering stabilizer due to a 50 mph death wobble and difficulty braking...finally took the wheels back for a balance check. They were way out of balance...the shop couldn't figure out how they ever let them out in that condition. No longer needed a steering stabilizer. My hypothesis is that the COE design tends to magnify the implications of an out of balance wheel.