I would venture to guess that most of these goons were unemployed, non voting clowns, or shipped in by Soros to keep Portland weird.
Proposed 1k fine for vehicles over 20 years old in Oregon
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I would venture to guess that most of these goons were unemployed, non voting clowns, or shipped in by Soros to keep Portland weird.
Happykamper
Explorer
No no no...
you most certainly don't have to ship people in to keep Portland weird !!! Lol but Portland is not by nature violent ! I agree with the shipping in theory, most likely from Washington!
you most certainly don't have to ship people in to keep Portland weird !!! Lol but Portland is not by nature violent ! I agree with the shipping in theory, most likely from Washington!
evilfij
Explorer
Anything that makes it more expensive to drive cars is an overall positive in my view. Less traffic, less wear on the roads, less new infrastructure needed, less pollution (if you care about that).
Whether you think it is a good idea, largely depends on what your view of taxation is. I love regressive taxes (like the proposed law discussed here) because they spread the cost out more equally instead of burdening wage earners most. PA now has the highest gas taxes in the country and I have noticed a decrease in traffic, but I have not seen the impact on tax revenue laid out anywhere yet.
Whether you think it is a good idea, largely depends on what your view of taxation is. I love regressive taxes (like the proposed law discussed here) because they spread the cost out more equally instead of burdening wage earners most. PA now has the highest gas taxes in the country and I have noticed a decrease in traffic, but I have not seen the impact on tax revenue laid out anywhere yet.
MOguy
Explorer
Happykamper
Explorer
He's talking about " fuzzy math " !!!! Oh wait it's not called that anymore ....whatever
....whatever
F350joe
Well-known member
I don't mind paying a little more to breath clean air, I grew up in the smog alert era. I am also a lefty when it comes to the enviroment but that train must be dumbest thing this great state has ever come up with. That and growing almonds in the desert.
nicholastanguma
New York City
Silverado08
Observer
Fyi British Columbia Canada has the same laws,should you happen to visit,took me by surprise thats for sure..its probably because many people would gas up and run,,
rruff
Explorer
Neither side makes a bit of sense.
ExplorerTom
Explorer
All the pumps around here you have to pay first (or insert your card). I imagine that has cut down significantly on the pump'n'runs.
mikekey
Deplorable
New Jersey and Oregon don't trust people to not blow themselves up while pumping gas, and the states would rather leave the job to professionals.
Long ago, all gas stations were full-service. The first self-service station opened in California in 1947, and the idea caught on across the country. Only Oregon and New Jersey, decided to keep doing things the old way.
Let me tell you, it's the stupidest thing ever. We were down near Crater Lake, and the stations were overcrowded with not enough attendants to pump gas. I can't imagine it's cost effective either.
Long ago, all gas stations were full-service. The first self-service station opened in California in 1947, and the idea caught on across the country. Only Oregon and New Jersey, decided to keep doing things the old way.
Let me tell you, it's the stupidest thing ever. We were down near Crater Lake, and the stations were overcrowded with not enough attendants to pump gas. I can't imagine it's cost effective either.
rruff
Explorer
When I lived in OR 20 years ago, the only reason I ever heard for "no self serve" was to provide low skill jobs. IMO a really stupid "solution" to a real problem.
Hopeless Diamond
Explorer
Technically in OR you can pump your own diesel. When I've done that, a lot of attendants (assuming they are awake) are mystified that I know how to do it myself. I explain to them I'm from WA and we also know how to tie our own shoes there. At places that insist or if they are actually responsive, I watch them like a hawk to make sure they put in diesel.
Bringing you own bags to grocery stores is getting more common place, many cities are now taxing the plastic bags.
Bringing you own bags to grocery stores is getting more common place, many cities are now taxing the plastic bags.
SilicaRich
Wandering Inverted
Well this is a bunch of BS