Questions about a kayak carrier idea for an LJ

jamm

Observer
I've posted this on other forums to get as much info as possible so I apologize if you've already read it.

I want to be able to haul my 13.5'/70# kayak on my LJ with either top. So I wondered if anyone had used a hinge mounted lightbar similar to the pic below for the front support?

lightbar4.jpg


I want to use Mako Saddles (already have them) but the lightbar has a larger diameter than the saddles can accomodate. I was thinking about making an inverted U-shaped pipe that could either be bolted or welded to two of the light mounts.

So I have a few questions:
  1. Has anyone used a lightbar to do this successfully? What were the pros/cons?
  2. Did the lightbar cause excessive wind noise? I'm thinking that with my added pipe I may be able to incorporate a wind deflector. Any thoughts?
  3. Would it be better to copy the lightbar design but use the correct sized pipe? Yakima Load Bars are 1-1/8" diameter, is that big enough to span the width of the LJ without additional support?
  4. I don't particularly like the look of a lightbar so I would like a way to quickly disconnect it when not in use. Any ideas?
  5. Anybody have experience with "A" pillar protectors? Could these be used as the base mount for the pipe?

Now on to the back yak mount.

I was lucky enough to purchase one of Eddie's (Ground Pounder Fab) rear bumpers with a tire swingout. Which is awesome by the way. So I am thinking of adding a vertical receiver above the tire mount. This would allow me to make a removeable rear yak support which would be somewhat similar to the one below, but narrower.

drydock.jpg


Now here's the kicker--- I want to be able to access the inside of the LJ from the rear while the yak is in place. The problem I see with my design is that the support mounted to the swingout along with the yak being strapped down would not allow the swingout to open. Basically the tied down yak would be holding it in place. To combat this issue, I was thinking about making the mount so that it would still sit in the vertical receiver but would have two stacked horitzontal arms with a pivot hinge at one end of them (probably in line with the tire swingout hinge). The yak support would then mount to the top arm centered over the LJ. Kind of like your arm.

My hope is that with the rear of the yak strapped to the top support arm the lower arm would swing out with the tire carrier and the yak would stay in place. This would then allow the rear door to open for access to the back of the Jeep.

Am I crazy? Any designers think this would work? I would appreciate any thought or comments. Please don't tell me to get a roof rack. I want something that can:
  • be taken off quickly without doing a lot of unbolting
  • allow for either a hard or soft top to be on or affect folding folding it down
  • let me leave the setup at camp while on the trails

Thanks
 

ox4mag

Explorer

I'm curious about this setup as I see that you aren't using any rear corner guards to support the weight of your RTT. Any concerns for your rear body panels and the stress on the sheet metal, particularly since there is only one attachment point (behind the taillights)?

As for the Congo Cage itself, this is the first roof rack setup I had on my TJ and it worked nicely for the application you're thinking of. The Congo Cage is very light and can easily be tilted back to open/remove your soft top or hard top, all with only one person. I would probably recommend this for a kayak/bike application and you can still have your lights attached to it if you use wire disconnects when swinging the rack open.

Another option is Olympic 4x4. Mark D. Stephens did a review of this rack on his TJ and you can view it here:

http://www.markdstephens.com/jeep/olympic_roof_rack_sports_901.html
 

wardrow

Adventurer
I'm curious about this setup as I see that you aren't using any rear corner guards to support the weight of your RTT. Any concerns for your rear body panels and the stress on the sheet metal, particularly since there is only one attachment point (behind the taillights)?


Actually if you look closer at my Jeep, you can see that indeed I do have PAINTED corner guards; which I can get for anybody if anyone is interested.
 

BIGdaddy

Expedition Leader
I've got a congo cage you can have for free.

Its from my 2004 lj that was stolen, the mounting brackets were on the truck so obviously you'd have to figure those out...

in the front they were basically the same hinge brackets.

in the rear, there were plates that went behind the taillights.

find/make those, and you're golden. its rated for like 300lbs...

It's been sitting outside, so you'll likely have some surfacey type rust
but, heck...you're probably used to it over there in michigan..haha...

lemme know.
 

grahamfitter

Expedition Leader
I also have a Congo Cage on my LJ, fitted with their crossbars. Yakima crossbars also fit using the mount that attaches to factory roof rails. Light isn't a word I'd use to describe this behemoth, or quiet, or rust free, but until something else comes along it does the job just fine.

DSC_2674.jpg


FYI both Yakima "Big Stack" stackers you see in the photo failed at the same time at walking speed on a badly potholed dirt road -- which IMHO is a design flaw but Yakima doesn't see it that way.

Cheers,
Graham
 

computeruser

Explorer
I've played around with that idea, and it seems like the only quiet and secure answer would be something that is solid (bolt or weld) and mounts to the frame (to rock sliders up front, rear crossmember/bumper in rear). It's on my to-do list, especially once we have kids to consider and have to put the rear seat back in.

The guys at JCR could probably build you something interesting...
 

KSJeep

Explorer
JAMM,

I looked at the same idea to haul my kayak, it seemed like a good option, especially since I aquired both parts for free. I had to scrape the idea when the Jeep would not fit in the garage. Anyway, it should work with no problem except for the movement in the rear receiver.

Also if you are PMing Big Daddy about the cage, he said it was off a TJ and you have an LJ, prob won't fit.
 

ox4mag

Explorer
I'm curious about this setup as I see that you aren't using any rear corner guards to support the weight of your RTT. Any concerns for your rear body panels and the stress on the sheet metal, particularly since there is only one attachment point (behind the taillights)?


Actually if you look closer at my Jeep, you can see that indeed I do have PAINTED corner guards; which I can get for anybody if anyone is interested.

I'll be darned, didn't even notice the bolts for them in your photos till you mentioned it. Nice job! :)
 

JohnnyS

Explorer
I have a Garvin Wilderness Rack on my LJ that I haul my kayaks on.
It works really well and allows me to access the back while the kayaks are on the roof.
I really don't know where I would haul all of my camping gear if I didn't have the rack.
I also have an awning attached to it which is truly awesome.
My jeep measures about 6'7" with an OME ZJ/LJ lift and 31s, I'm switching to 33x10.50s soon and it will still fit in the garage.
Take it easy.
 

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