Another thing with the crossovers and the Forester in particular is that while it may have 9" of clearance this only one factor to consider. The approach, departure and break over angles are not nearly as good. Their bumpers tend to be super long making it very difficult to go over terrain they would otherwise be able to clear had they been designed with a shorter bumper. A Tacoma or 4Runner mid section has to be at least 14 or more inches off the ground.