I did say "I could only ride half of it." That loop was recommended by a ton of people.... just not my cup of tea. But I agree, I have ridden with a ton of people that would clean it like a dinner plate! I will be back out that way to ride again, now that I know know what to ask, I will visit Sycamore Cycles in Brevard and ask for their advice again. (ps that were a cool shop and very helpful, it's nice to see a LBS with lots of high end stuff.)