Radio noise in the Taco?

J_wings24

Observer
So, I've been going crazy w/ some electrical noise while listening to AM radio.
99 Taco w/ after market stereo.
JVC BT-1 Head Unit
Rockford Fosgate Sub & Amp

I've eliminated the sub (I think) from being the wiring problem, but i'm not sure.

basically I can hear engine noise while listening to AM radio. I dont hear it when playing the I-pod or CD, only am radio.

Could it be the antenna? or is it a power source problem? I'm going nutz not being able to figure it out. Any help & recommendations are greatly appreciated.

thanks,
joel
 

Andrew Walcker

Mod Emeritus
1. Make sure the power wire for the Rockford Fosgate amp is not running parraled with the RCA cables. In addition, make sure the RCA cables are of a good quality with shielding. Ferrite magnets clamped around the RCA's sometimes work.
2. Ground everything straight to the negative terminal of the battery. Some people will tell you otherwise, but this has never let me down.

Good luck!
 

J_wings24

Observer
Andrew Walcker said:
1. Make sure the power wire for the Rockford Fosgate amp is not running parraled with the RCA cables. In addition, make sure the RCA cables are of a good quality with shielding. Ferrite magnets clamped around the RCA's sometimes work.
2. Ground everything straight to the negative terminal of the battery. Some people will tell you otherwise, but this has never let me down.

Good luck!

Andrew, Thanks for the reply.
I have the pwr & RCA running apart from one another & the negative lead is grounded cleanly to the seat bracket/bolt.
If it were the Amp causing the noise wouldn't it be "humming" no matter what was playing (ie. ipod/cd/am/fm etc)? Maybe I do need to get new RCA's but They are "monster cable" RCA's & have good sheilding.
Thanks,
Joel
 

keezer36

Adventurer
AM radio couples noises due to the bandwidth assigned to it back when we didn't have so many electrical/electronic gadgets in our lives. The bandwidth assigned is why you only hear it on AM. It is susceptible to the electromagmetic fields generated by just about anything with electricity flowing through it. I do listen to an occasional baseball or football game on AM radio when necessary and have noticed the increase in noise over the years.
Engine noise is coupled through some item in your system lacking a good ground. The source of that noise is usually going to be your spark plug wires or alternator.
Try to isolate the point at which the noise is being coupled to your radio. Pull the antenna. Does it mostly go away? Then you'll know if it's being coupled through the antenna or not. Can you slightly pull out the radio from the dash while it's on? Does the noise change? If so, it's being coupled through the metal body of the radio. You basically need to walk around grounding different items: antenna, radio body, etc.
Your ground, are you sure it's clean between the seat rail and metal of the floor as the threaded part of the bolt may have a thread sealant applied?
Source of the noise: Do you have good quality spark plug wires? Spark plug wires create quite an electromagnetic field.
You can probably pick up a in-line filter from Radio Shack but you should ensure everything is properly grounded first.
 

J_wings24

Observer
Good stuff Keezer, I'll work on it this weekend & see if i can isolate the noise.
One thing i just thought about, When I'm listening to the radio, park the truck & turn it off I have perfect reception. the noise is tied to the engine running.

I'll keep you posted,
joel
 

DaveInDenver

Middle Income Semi-Redneck
J_wings24 said:
Good stuff Keezer, I'll work on it this weekend & see if i can isolate the noise.
One thing i just thought about, When I'm listening to the radio, park the truck & turn it off I have perfect reception. the noise is tied to the engine running.

I'll keep you posted,
joel
The majority of noise comes from your alternator and ignition, but Toyota knows that and so from the factory they are usually fine. What happens is things age and people replace stuff.

I'll go on a limb and say you don't run factory Denso spark plug wires. Toyota uses carbon core resistance wires and one of the reasons is that they are pretty quiet RF-wise. When you run wound core wires the noise level usually jumps because of it. That usually sounds like a tick sound in the radio that is in sync with the RPM.

The other source is the alternator. That is always there, but what happens there is the brushes wear over time and gets worse. There's not much you can to do stop it completely, but replacing the brushes can reduce it. This will sound like a whine, also RPM dependent.

The factory radio is usually pretty immune to this for a couple of reasons, but aftermarket stereos that have RCA interconnects are very susceptible to it. Be sure to keep space between any RCA signal wires and power cables and where they have to cross, do it at right angles rather than running them parallel. You can also shield the RCA cables and that can reduce some of the noise that they pick up. Avoid running RCA cables near the ECU or any sensors, near cell phones and other gadgets, other radios (like ham radios), etc. I would keep several inches (like 6", 8" or more) between power and signal cables.

The second thing is to be careful of your grounds. If you have poor grounds you can create ground loops because the positive side cable has a different impedance than the ground side, so you get an induced current and that makes a really good antenna. If you measure the power across the battery and the power across the power leads at the amp or radio and you measure more than about 0.25 or 0.50 volts different (i.e. the battery voltage with the car running is 14.4V and the power at the amp is 14.0V), you have a ground loop and that's probably a big source of your noise. If that's the case, increase the size of the grounds to as big as you can. Second, never tie more than one ground to a bolt. Ground the amp, radio and any other device to different ground bolts. Ground loops are the reason like 99% of the times you hear noise on AM.
 

J_wings24

Observer
Great information! Thank you. I will tear into her tomorrow and start with the amp.
I think I'll be able figure it out. :wings: I do not have Toyota Plug wires so it I might swing to the Yota Dealership in the AM & see if i can get some new ones.
Thanks again!
 

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