Rubicon or Sahara

Hristo34

Member
Is there an advantage to driving 60mph in 4LO over 4HI? A Rubicon can do that just fine in 4HI, no? I'm not sure what the advantage is of doing it in 4LO. I have an LJ sport which I got after selling my TJ Rubicon. The one thing I miss, and am thinking of upgrading, is the transfer case.
 

jacobconroy

Hillbilly of Leisure
Maybe I'm not understanding what someone said here...but my Sahara with 4.10 gears won't exceed 20 MPH in 4LO (3rd gear at 4K rpm).

I'm working from memory here, but I'll give it another try tomorrow and hot-rod it a little to make sure.

Who has a Jeep that will go 60 MPH in 4Lo?
 
Only thing 60 mph on foresty roads is that it just gives more ammo to the self righteous activist groups for their justification to shut down forest roads. Already seems that the majority of them are gated and locked as it is and the number seems to grow each year.

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billiebob

Well-known member
Who has a Jeep that will go 60 MPH in 4Lo?
again, out of context, the 60 in 4LO was also talking about 3.07s & 33s & the Sport. And it is not that you cruise at 60, just that you have the ability to if you like speed, which I do. 4LO also gives the effect of a close ratio transmission. Speed range in each gear is much narrower giving you great control over speed especially running downhill... in any gear. The Rubicon loses ALL that ability with the 4:1.

If you've never been there how can you be critical.
 

vtsoundman

OverAnalyzer
This thread has a lot of interesting comments in it....and it is always pretty easy to tell those that have direct experience vs those that don't.

Here are some of the whoppers in this thread:

Never go over 15mph in 4Lo with a JKRubi?

Only use a JKRubi 4Lo if you need lockers?

A rubi 4:1 eliminates the feeling of a close ratio transmission and a sport 2.xx:1 somehow enables it?? A Rubi's 4:1 transfer case does not give you great control on descent?

Go 60mph on a forest service road?

SMFH...
 

billiebob

Well-known member
definitey an over analyzer
short on reading comprehension too

60 on a forestry road is only 10 over and if you work in the industry you will find 60 on a forestry road is just keeping up to the guys commuting to work.

No, 4:1 is actually closer ratios. Which is great for rock crawling but too close for anything else. The Sport 2.72:1 is a perfect ratio, gearing for 60 mph. Just like the Rubi 4:1 is perfect for 15mph. And the 2WD direct is perfect for 80mph.... A Rubi 4:1 gives fabulous crawl control on a steep rough descent. A Sport 2.72:1 gives fabulous control where the ground is not so steep. The wider range of speed per gear works great in 2HI or 4HI on the highway. Each one gives up something to gain something but if you never NEED to crawl, the Rubi 4:1 sucks.

Only use 4LO with lockers..... grain of salt there, IF you NEED the Rubi 4LO, you likely NEED lockers too. But lockers are nice in a Sport with 2.72:1 and in 4HI. Lockers let you tread lightly and avoid tearing up the terra firma in in any gear. Even pulling a trailer up a snow covered highway grade in 4HI lockers are wonderful.

The never go over 15mph..... is a quote from the TJ Owners Manual. 15mph for the Rubi, 25mph for the Sport are the speeds quoted. If you read the manual in detail it pretty much bans any modifications.... including removing the doors.
 

vtsoundman

OverAnalyzer
....
short on reading comprehension too

....

The never go over 15mph..... is a quote from the TJ Owners Manual. 15mph for the Rubi, 25mph for the Sport are the speeds quoted. If you read the manual in detail it pretty much bans any modifications.... including removing the doors.

Thx for making my point. The OP posted about a JKU, not a TJ. Pretty different vehicles.
 

vtsoundman

OverAnalyzer
Hey OP, if you haven't already made your decision, post your question on a Jeep forum (Wranglerforum is a good one). You'll get better (and experienced based advice) there.

Most of the comments regarding 4lo and JK Rubicons in this thread are not correct. The only difference between a 4Lo for a JK Sport and JK Rubi is the top speed - and if you're driving in a responsible manner, it won't matter too too much.

In the steeper sections and more technical areas, you'll appreciate the deeper 4Lo of the JK Rubi case - especially if you have a manual. I use 4Lo all the time. If traveling in groups of sports & Rubis, people use different gears.

I use my rear locker in 2hi, 4hi, and 4lo as do many of the folks. So again, the comments about 4lo/lockers only are not correct and their experiences are far from universal.

The Rubi gives you stronger axles, factory lockers and electronic swaybar disconnect. There are some differences in the diff (limited slip vs open), but that varies with the options. Everything else is the same. A Rubi can be equipped the same as a Sahara or it can be pretty basic.

All 4dr Jeeps have payload of 800 to 1000lbs or so (this includes passengers). The payload sticker on the door is based on the stock configuration (soft vs hard top, dual tops, etc) - so plan on doing some math (add/subtract) based on your final configuration for the Ursa Minor.

Depending on your perspective, 800-1000# may sound like a lot or a little, but many many 4drs run heavy and have many trouble free miles. The JK/JL platform is very very tough and well proven.

Regardless of the Jeep you choose, an Ursa Minor plus the usual camping gear, you will be running heavy - and - while the factory suspension is capable of handling the load, it won't be very comfortable (lots of sway/wallow)

Stiffer springs and better shocks will do you good. There aren't many companies that offer stiffer springs at stock height, that is why many get a small lift (2") or so. If you go this route, do not get the Mopar Lift - it is too soft.

Regarding the manual :
The issues with the TOB bearings vary - mine has been noisey since I bought it - but at 135k, I'm still on my stock clutch and bearing assembly. I also have a 3.8 and it is a 2007. I tow heavy all the time in the back country or locally.

If you believe the forums, my Jeep is a POS...but in actuality, it has been a very reliable tool. The clutch/TOB issues arent that bad - very similar to people talking about the 3.8L motor - tons of of over-reacting and lots of fear mongering typical of forums.

I've owned a manual JKU Rubi for over 10 years..I drive it hard, but I don't abuse it (drive like an idiot.)

I have owned/driven many 4x's - I've never not liked/been bothered my the 4:1 ratio of the Rubi.

My work takes me many places, including the back country and travel extensively with an empty or heavily loaded Jeep. It has been a very reliable vehicle (for how it gets used) and the maintenance costs have been very low.
 

billiebob

Well-known member
Thx for making my point. The OP posted about a JKU, not a TJ. Pretty different vehicles.
So I googled a JKU Owners Manual, guess what, same wording.

4L Position
This range locks the front and rear driveshafts together, forcing the front and rear wheels to rotate at the same speed. This range (4L) provides additional traction and maximum pulling power for loose, slippery road surfaces only. Do not exceed 25 mph (40 km/h).


But as I said, thats just legal jargon to protect against liability....
Sort of like the GVWR and guys who take the door sticker as a suggestion.
 
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mobydick 11

Active member
Thanks for all the comments .vtsoundman you have helpful suggestions . I do have a bit of experience ,my first job at 15 years old was plowing snow with a international Scout . that was 50 years ago though . we only used low range to work never to drive around . now death wobble that's another story . So here is were i am at . i have found a very nice low mileage 2015 willys with 372 gears . it is an automatic . also a 2 door ,thinking camp kitchen in the rig and a roof top tent on an off road trailer . I had a 2012 sport with a standard and two things i did not like about the standard were .the hill lock thing were you are trying to start off up a hill from a light and the brakes are still locked on for a few seconds . very hard on the clutch . also i felt that reverse was way to high a gear ,hard to back a trailer . that's probably when i used low range the most . That and traffic jams ,i would put it in low and just let it creep along at an idle. I guess the answer to my own question is .How are you going to use it . I have read that the 372 bumps the two door up to the 3500 lb tow rating .thanks for every ones help
 

vtsoundman

OverAnalyzer
Low range on dry pavement is not a good idea...it'll damage the drivetrain. A short distance is fine, but the wheels need some slip to prevent binding.

Towing with a 2 door vs 4 door - no direct experience, but a longer wheel base is always more comfortable. If you're traveling full time, a 4dr is going to be the way to go.

I use 4lo all the time backing my trailers up my driveway...I have a manual, 4.10 gears, and a Rubi case. I can put it into reverse, let out the clutch and let the Jeep just walk up my very steep driveway.

HSA (the brake lock feature) can be disabled if you find it inconvenient.
 

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