School me on Ford Super Duty

pskhaat said:
Hundreds of them were bought back right? And the engine only had a 2-3 year run (see earlier post)? Are mostly all issues resolved?

The 2003-early 2004 trucks had big time problems and many were bought back by Ford under the Lemon Law. Mid 2004 to 2007 were nice trucks. Just to play it safe I would only buy a 2005-2007 truck. You would get the coil front then also.

The new 2008 6.4L has had a recall on the DPF. The EGT's were getting too hot I guess.

I've read that by 2011 Ford should have their own diesel engine in the Superduty. a 6.7L "Scorpion" diesel. Their relationship with International is coming to an end.
 

locrwln

Expedition Leader
pskhaat said:
Well this is exactly my problem right now. I love my 80 & 100 and think they are ideal if not the perfect overland rigs (Rovers' size too). However to carry my crap I need a trailer and then I'm just as out-of-luck on these trails anyway, so then the consideration goes to a full-sized truck, but am possibly at a small loss there too.

I'm thinking I'll actually spend less on a SD with some basic mods net a LC sale than a good trailer purchase!

I agree and for the record, Spressomon has dragged his AT Horizon on almost everyone of those trails. I have only seen him unhook in and park it two times to go explore a trail. I would venture to say that no one, other than maybe Scott has put more miles on their trailer and certainly have not put it in the spots he has.

I agree on the price thing, especially now with the de-value of large vehicles as a whole. A nice CC SD with a decent suspension and some type of camper (4wc or other) would make for an awesome overland rig.

Just remember, there are places I wouldn't take my truck, but if I had only paid 10k for a used one, then all bets are off. Mine is too nice and has too few miles for me to beat it up offroad. Just my opinion of my truck.:arabia:

Jack
 

mrstang01

Adventurer
I've got a 97 Super Cab long bed, and I wouldn't tear it up. I got a Suburban for that. The 7.3 will haul anything I need.

Michael
 

DiploStrat

Expedition Leader
Pedantic Semantics!

Grrr!

Gang,

Let's get it straight:

-- Four Wheeling, or trail running, may require a smaller vehicle, but,
-- "Overlanding" has no size limits. (Except maybe what fits in a marine container.)

"Overlanding" understands living in/beside a vehicle for over one month, probably in the third world. By these definitions, anything useful for trail running is probably too small for overlanding and vice versa. Let's just say that the Ford one ton pickup is on the small side of overlanding vehicles.
 

Maddmatt

Explorer
Pskhaat,

I think everybody has covered the basics. I've got 10's of thousands of miles behind the wheel of 6.0 & 6.4L SD's, primarily highway but some dirt - here's my bullet points.

6.0's had issues up until about 2005. By 2005 the turbo had been redesigned, and seems fairly robust - these are 250,000 - 300,000 mile engines, so the long term jury may still be out - but I would have no problem taking a very long journey with an '05 or newer 6.0.

There is no question that the front coils ride better, handle better, turn sharper and are just better in every way to the leaf spring front ends, so in my opinion keep your search to 05's an newer.

The 6.4 (2008 and newer, but Ford launched model year '08 in January of '07, so there are a lot of them on the road) is a fantastic engine. Huge improvement over the 6.0 in all but 2 ways. Its quiet, its fast, very nice to drive.

Downsides
1) Fuel mileage. An F550 with a load of about 10-11,000 pounds on the back that would return mileage of 12-14 on the highway with the 6.0 will probably get 8-10 in the 6.4 (these are my personal experience numbers, YMMV) Installing a Banks kit will solve this issue and give you way too much torque and HP, so many people go that way. A very reputable Ford tech I know once told me that if he could convince people to keep their Banks kits on the lower settings, he would recommend them to everyone.

2) Requires ULSD fuel. No problem if you're staying in North America, and increasingly available in Mexico, but a serious problem if you can only find LSD (low sulphur diesel people, not the other :) ). Its not that the engine will run rough, or smoke, it just won't run. You'll clog your particle filter very quickly. There are rumours that you can just cut the filter out of the exhaust system, but there are so many sensors and things on modern engines, I would be hesitant to do that.
edit - I thought of one other potential drawback for overlanding. When the engine is undergoing it's "regen" phase on the 6.4's the exhaust is incredibly hot. Hot enough that I would pay very close attention to the plant life around my exhaust pipe when I parked. They don't actually blow flames out, as some internet rumours would have you believe, but they might as well, hot as they are.

One comment I haven't seen: I love driving manual transmissions, but in a heavy vehicle with a heavy load, kids screaming, dog panting, etc..... I'm a big fan of the Ford Torque Shift auto. Tow/haul mode will engine brake for you, it adapts to your driving style, in my opinion its one of the unsung heros of the SD line up.

Anyway, that's my opinion.
-Matt
 

Capt Eddie

Adventurer
I just drove 1500 miles in my new 2008 F450 6.4. The tow haul mode does not engine brake. I have a 2007 Dodge with the jake brake and love it. That is the one downside of the Ford. I got 10 mpg loaded. Driving 55 to 65 mph.
 

ignorant

Observer
Capt Eddie said:
I just drove 1500 miles in my new 2008 F450 6.4. The tow haul mode does not engine brake. I have a 2007 Dodge with the jake brake and love it. That is the one downside of the Ford. I got 10 mpg loaded. Driving 55 to 65 mph.

It's not a physical jake brake per se.. It's a function of the VG turbo. I can explain in detail if you would like.. when I get home from work.
 
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Maddmatt

Explorer
Capt Eddie said:
I just drove 1500 miles in my new 2008 F450 6.4. The tow haul mode does not engine brake. I have a 2007 Dodge with the jake brake and love it. That is the one downside of the Ford. I got 10 mpg loaded. Driving 55 to 65 mph.

It does actually, and works quite well. I've got several thousand miles of seat time in the 6.4 with heavy load, high speeds, steep grades, etc.... You have to tap the brake pedal a bit to get it going, but it will even downshift when appropriate.
-Matt
 

Capt Eddie

Adventurer
I read through the owners manual and could not find anything. Please tell me more. I had to apply the brakes several times on hills and felt no change. I f I missed something that will be great. PM With more info.
 

Maddmatt

Explorer
I don't know what to tell you - all the trucks I drove were the 6.4 with the Torque Shift auto, and if you had tow/haul on and tapped the brakes at the top of a hill they would down shift all the way down, sometimes hard. In fact I turned it off when the roads were slick. Have to admit I never read the manual - but I found this on line, from this website:

http://www.intermotive.net/Tech Tip/Tech Tip - August 06.pdf

Sorry I don't have a better answer.
-Matt


Here’s a run down on Ford’s “Tow/Haul” mode when engaged:
• Raises the shift point RPMs and internal trans shift pressures for a given
engine load
? Maintains the ability to engage overdrive gear, but eliminates
the possibility of engine lugging
? Controls shifting frequency to avoid shift hunting and
unnecessary torque converter cycling
• Engages the “coast clutch” and uses other internal trans clutch/band
application strategies in order to achieve engine braking through all gears as
the transmission coasts down.
 

Life_in_4Lo

Explorer
pskhaat,
did you ever decide on getting a SD?

I see the 4dr SD diesels and really like them. I don't think they would be much use in town but neither is my 80 (parking garages no longer mix w/ my truck)
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
Life_in_4Lo said:
pskhaat,
did you ever decide on getting a SD?

I am working 7 days a week until Feb, but will be looking at this early 09. One issue is that it would need to become the baby-toter for the wife as well as be the long-hauler, but there's also discussion of a newer 100 and/or reverting the 80 to the baby-toter and getting some extended 40 series.

Lots of options on the table and I think we're at a good buying time right now, but it will really depend on the yearly bonus (if any :O) I'll make another post, but I could have used a big PTO winch last night and that sounds really nice in a PSDSRW.
 

toy_tek

Adventurer
Scott I looked around last year with a budget in mind. Drove a bunch of trucks and decided on a 6.0 for the mileage, and then realized the 05's had the coil springs up front which is a huge difference (to me) especially if you'll be on rough roads or off road. The other advantage already posted is the turning radius. I have the crew cab long bed and can pull a Uie (I just made up that spelling) with just 3 lanes. Sounds funny when you also drive a Toyota, but it makes the truck manageable in town, at the gas pump, on the trail, etc. Oh and if your family gets bigger later on you can tow a 12k lb trailer.

Anyway, you're welcome to come out to E Mesa and drive it around for comparison purposes.

edit: its a 2005 F350 6.0 4x4 crew cab longbed with 108k
 

Pskhaat

2005 Expedition Trophy Champion
111db said:
The other advantage already posted is the turning radius

That's a big one for me too. It is really hard to beat an LC in turning radius. I can "flip a **********" in a narrow neighborhood 2-laner. Turning radius has always been a very key point for me, especially when I lived in CO.

Oh and if your family gets bigger later on you can tow a 12k lb trailer.

Family is just about big enough for me now (3 wee ones) :O but a trailer is certainly in the thinking.
 

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