School me on the 2004 Toyota Tacoma...

Box Rocket

Well-known member
I don't think what you are describing is an impossible scenario. If you take your time and are vigilant about watching the classifieds you can find a good truck that meets your price/mileage requirements, and still have money left to do a handful of needed mods.

I'll use my own truck as an example. I watched classifieds for a good year before making a purchase. My truck showed up on a local classifieds site and I had a deposit down on it within hours of it posting because of the lower mileage and price. I purchased it for $14k with 80K miles. These days that seems like an excellent deal particularly for a doublecab TRD model with the V6. This is why I say you need to be vigilant about watching the classifieds. Between the time I had a deposit on this truck and the next morning when I actually saw it in person and finalized the purchase there were dozens of calls from serious buyers.

Anyway, I probably have between $2-3K of extra mods on my truck after you factor cost of suspension/tires and armor. I have been able to save lots of cash by fabricating a lot of my own stuff like skidplates, rear bumper and other items. If you must purchase all your add-ons then you will need to consider that in your budget.

In general the double cab Tacomas in that year are going to be the most expensive. If you are looking for an extracab then you might find one for less. I think with some patience it is totally reasonable to find one in your price range and be able to throw a lift and tires on it, along with some sliders. With that minimal setup you will be able to cover a lot of ground comfortably.

As for features to look for: I recommend a TRD model with the locker (as others have stated). It will cost you more later to add a selectable locker than it will to buy one that has the factory locker already. The 4cyl is a good motor but the V6 is definitely an upgrade that is worth the extra expense. If you get a manual transmission, regearing will be more necessary IMO as the stock 3.73s are really tall once you have larger tires and want to take on any technical terrain. Personally I think 4.88's are the most "streetable" gear ratio for tires up to 33". If you must run 35's then you could consider 5.29s but you have opened a whole new can of worms if you want to make 35's work.

I prefer Old Man Emu suspensions over other setups for overlanding. I think they provide the best ride and the front struts are much more durable in harsh weather conditions that many of the coilover options with that seems to be more susceptable to rust. Same goes for upper control arms. The stock arms with sealed ball joints will last in harsh environments longer than open ball joints offered with most aftermarket control arms. Aftermarket ball joints and arms can be rebuilt, as can the coilovers but if you live in areas that have salted roads in the winter it is entirely possible that your front suspension will need to be rebuilt each year with many of the coilovers and open ball joints. I'm sure this could spark some "discussion" from people that feel differently, but I'm just voicing my own opinion on the matter. there are suspension options out there that are cheaper than OME but I find the performance inferior as well.

The easiest way to carry extra fuel is in extra fuel cans, either in the bed or on a swing out tire carrier. There are secondary fuel tanks on the market but they are expensive and complicated to install.

Carrying a full size spare (up to a 33" tire) can be done in the stock spare tire location with some modification to the bracket for the spare. Some don't like that a full size spare can limit ground clearance in this location. There are options out there to carry a spare in the bed of the truck but you lose A LOT of cargo space with this approach. A rear bumper mounted swing out tire carrier is probably the best option. If you have a swing out rear bumper with fuel cans and a spare tire it is recommended that the rear frame rails be reinforced. the rear frame sections on these trucks can bend with extended use if heavy loads are carried behind the rear axle like with a heavy rear bumper and spare tire/fuel carrier.

Just to get your creative juices flowing here is my 2003 DC Tacoma that I mentioned first in the post.

At time of purchase
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In it's current state (which isn't too far beyond the budget you mentioned).
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JCMatthews

Tour Guide
I'd go test drive the 4 cyl. Tacoma and see what you think. If you want to stay in your budget it might be an area of compromise.
 

78mustard40

New member
Just to echo the current value of these, I think the prices on the 1st gen tacoma’s is finally starting to come down a little. Maybe something to do with the ever growing popularity of the 2nd gen's. I just picked up a '02 double cab 4wd with 125k on the odo in excellent condition for right at $10k. Also noticed another one in my area that sold for $12K. I did take my time and shop for a couple months, but I'm sure the ext cab's are even more available. Good luck with the search!
 

Kole

Adventurer
Just to echo Box Rocket. OME suspension is probably going to be your best bet. There are adjustable coil over options out there which are significantly more expensive and require maintenance. OME is hassle free and just flat works. If your not going to a 35" tire then I wouldn't think a 5.29 gear set would be necessary. Especially given the amount of highway (high RPM) miles we rack up on our vehicles each year. 4.88 is a sweet spot for the overlander. Also take advice from someone with steel wheels. They are tough as nails but they do bend and they are heavy. They work better for rock crawlers that rarely exceed 50mph. For an overland vehicle I would think a wheel that is less likely to bend and give vibration on long road trips would be more desirable. I love my 15" steel wheels and the 33x10.50x15 tires said wheels allow me to run but I often times regret getting rid of my factory 16" wheels. Sure going to 15" wheels saves me $30-$70 per tire when I go to buy new tires but the loss of the ability to upgrade to Tundra brakes is starting to make me reconsider. Any overland trip we take we are carrying along extra fuel, supplies, food, water and a lot of extra weight and being able to have upgraded braking power is a huge benefit.


All in all I have had my 03 taco since 2005. I've put over 120K on the clock and have only ever done regular maintenance and upkeep. I've never had any major mechanical or electrical failures whatsoever. This is 120K of hot TX rush hour commuting, back roads exploration, (amature) rock crawling, water crossings and anything else I could throw at it. It's been flawless.

I have the v6 but everyone says the 4cyl is the more reliable of the two engine options. If you'r not a go fast guy and you don't go crazy on tires and you have proper gearing a 4cyl manual will be all the truck you need.

That's just my $0.02
 
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Box Rocket

Well-known member
I have the v6 but everyone says the 4cyl is the more reliable of the two engine options. If you'r not a go fast guy and you don't go crazy on tires and you have proper gearing a 4cyl manual will be all the truck you need.

That's just my $0.02

I have heard just the opposite from a Toyota Master Technician who is a regional trainer for Toyotas western states. These motors are finally getting enough miles on them that better long term reliability data can be gathered. According to what I heard from my friend who is the trainer, the 5VZE (V6) is possibly the most reliable motor Toyota has ever had, according to data that they're starting to get now. I have no concrete proof of this but just relaying what I heard from what I consider a reputable source.
 

trump

Adventurist
Solid advice has already been given here, but I'll add a couple thoughts.

Beware of severly rusted frames on vehicles you are looking at. It's one of the downfalls of these Tacomas in snowy states. Stay on top of keeping the frame of truck you buy properly protected.

OME would probably be your best bet for suspension since you should see frequent snowy weather and salted roads.

Going against the grain on this one: If you're already planning on regearing and changing suspension out... Don't waste a dime on the TRD package. Add the suspension you want and the locker of your choice when you regear. You'd be paying a premium on the inital cost for components you're going to change out and can add cheaper. You'd gain a stronger rear axle too.
 

njtacoma

Explorer
I realize now that you specified and extended cab, so I'm not sure of availability with those but double cabs could be had with the locker only and no trd suspension stuff. They are kind of sleeper models, and get the locker without suspension bits you're going to trade out.

I realize this may be regional, but when We purchased ours new in 2004, there were 15 or so non-TRD locker equipped double cabs available new on the dealership lots. Actually more of these than TRD trucks.

Again not sure of extended cabs or regional availability.
 

thejafe

Adventurer
Solid advice has already been given here, but I'll add a couple thoughts.

Beware of severly rusted frames on vehicles you are looking at. It's one of the downfalls of these Tacomas in snowy states. Stay on top of keeping the frame of truck you buy properly protected.

Don't waste a dime on the TRD package. Add the suspension you want and the locker of your choice when you regear. You'd be paying a premium on the inital cost for components you're going to change out and can add cheaper. You'd gain a stronger rear axle too.

Good info right there on the rusty frames. Might be worth it for me to find a rig out west and drive it back east to where I live in NY. In terms of the rear axle on the Tacoma, is there more than one rear axle option that was offered with the 1st gen's? Will the 33" tires necessitate an axle swap, or will what comes with the truck be sufficient?
 

trump

Adventurist
Good info right there on the rusty frames. Might be worth it for me to find a rig out west and drive it back east to where I live in NY. In terms of the rear axle on the Tacoma, is there more than one rear axle option that was offered with the 1st gen's? Will the 33" tires necessitate an axle swap, or will what comes with the truck be sufficient?

Yes, there are two axles. Both are well suited for 33's. The non-TRD axle is sometimes referred to as the 8.4". It lacks the factory locker, but is more robust in construction. It's a narrower version of the axle that was used on the first generation of Tundras. This can be beneficial if you plan on running the truck at close to or at GVWR.
 

skrillah

Adventurer
I have heard just the opposite from a Toyota Master Technician who is a regional trainer for Toyotas western states. These motors are finally getting enough miles on them that better long term reliability data can be gathered. According to what I heard from my friend who is the trainer, the 5VZE (V6) is possibly the most reliable motor Toyota has ever had, according to data that they're starting to get now. I have no concrete proof of this but just relaying what I heard from what I consider a reputable source.

The 5VZE is certainly a stout engine, I've had no trouble out of mine. Though, I've always thought the 1FZFE 4.5L in the 80 series Land Cruiser was one of Toyota's best. They did have some early head gasket issues but most of the issues were worked out in the later 80 series years. I suppose I'm beating a dead horse with this as both are some of the best engines ever produced.

Regardless, I've owned both the 3rz 4cyl and 5vz 6cyl and certainly prefer the V6. The MPG's are almost identical and more power is always better. The 3rz did have some maintenance advantages such as having a timing chain vs the 5vz's belt timing system but if you can turn a wrench, changing the timing belt isn't a big deal.

I will agree with someone who mentioned the frame rust issue. Getting a Tacoma from the snowy states does warrant getting under the truck before you purchase to check it. Bring a hammer and lightly bang on a few areas. You may get a few interesting looks but will ensure the frame is okay.Toyota has recalled them and offers a fix by undercoating the frame, replacing the frame, or simply buying back the truck for 1.5x the blue book value. Usually if it passes the 'hammer test', they'll just undercoat it. At which point, my understanding is that Toyota will cover the truck for 15 years from the date of the undercoating. The thing that does suck about the undercoating though, is that if you like to wrench on your truck, anything you do from then on out, you will get that undercoating on everything! Tools, hands, your head, freaking everything! That's been my biggest complaint with it.

No matter what you go with, you'll have a great truck that will last you for years. Good luck!
 

p nut

butter
in my opinion, you should hold out for a TRD model unless you plan on adding air lockers later on. it gives the truck a u=huge advantage over open/open trucks.

For me, a rear locker isn't a deal breaker and doesn't offer up a "huge advantage". I can't remember the last time I engaged the e-locker on my overland trips. 4WD, definitely needed/preferred, but locked diffs? IMO, not necessary for this guy's "Overland" uses.

I have heard just the opposite from a Toyota Master Technician who is a regional trainer for Toyotas western states. These motors are finally getting enough miles on them that better long term reliability data can be gathered. According to what I heard from my friend who is the trainer, the 5VZE (V6) is possibly the most reliable motor Toyota has ever had, according to data that they're starting to get now. I have no concrete proof of this but just relaying what I heard from what I consider a reputable source.

The 5VZE is certainly a stout engine, I've had no trouble out of mine. Though, I've always thought the 1FZFE 4.5L in the 80 series Land Cruiser was one of Toyota's best.

I think all three of those engines are pretty solid, as there are many examples with over 300k+ miles on them with minimal to no work. There are issues with each of those engines, though (3vz - exh. manifold; 5vz - sludge and occasional throwing a rod; 1fz - headgasket and PHH).
 

thejafe

Adventurer
Go with 5.29s if you want to run 255/85r16 with an auto.

I also prefer 7 inch wheels with 255s, but the Toyos were rubbing the frame with this combo. The truck was also noticeably tippy with the tall, narrow stance. I added Spidertrax adaptors. I don't think there is a 7 inch wide wheel that would have the backspace to avoid rubbing the frame.

Yeah, the narrow stance is a concern for me. That's one thing I did NOT like about my TJ when I was running 33x10.50's and I too used wheel spacers to push the stock wheels further out.
 

TEJASYOTA

Adventurer
The Expo West Yota is basically what I was using as a guide for suspension and basic knowledge.

FOr the questions you asked.
1) Ratio - i have not yet changed (on the list of things I want to do)... the ratio of 5.29 is a good one.
I currently run 33s and it is bogging on the hills (ie highways) and my mph has dropped slightly (from the mid teens to the low 10-13.

2) Rims - I would stick will alloy (lighter) - but if you plan to expo for long periods of time (more than a few months), steel might be better, easier to fix by any roadside garage (i.e. large hammer and use of welder).

3) Suspension - this is a large answer for suspension, it all depend on what you want to do with your truck (expo, trail wheeling, rock wheeling, mix, etc....).
For BANG for the all mighty $$$ - - I would go OME, yeah I know mine is not theirs :)

Below is a link that I generated to help others that are looking to change their IRS.
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=94262

4) Fuel - mine is on my bumper or bed of the truck... many have racks that will carry them, but how come I do not get a rack like everyone else... balance. THe more stuff you load on top of your rig, the center of gravity rises. I really do not want to flop my rig. :)
I do want (wish list item) to install an extra fuel tank under my truck. Of course that costs more money.

5) Spare tire - mine is on my rear bumper... If I could redesign my truck, I would keep it up front of the bed of the truck (vertical or horizontal). I remember seeing a SEMA Jeep truck that had the spare in the bed. Very cool looking.
See example
1010dp_05_o+1010dp_mopar_built_diesel_jeep_nukizer_concept+rear_bed_shot.jpg

You also need to invest in sliders.... your rig's body will thank you for it.... my first purchases (In order) was a front bumper, sliders, suspension and then rear bumper....with a little splash of things here and there (OBA, stereo, cb, etc.).
For ARMOR, that too is a large answer, weld on vs bolt on, tube or plate, aluminum or steel and of course style.
Here are some manufacturers... CBI, ARB, Alluminess, All-Pro, Trail Gear, Demello, 4X Innovations, Shrockworks, etc.

The best answer for ALL these questions is to hook up with a local off-roading crew for Toyotas, TTORA is national and we hold monthly meetings in most chapters. You can check out their rigs and see them in action when they have an event.
There is no NY chapter... but there is a New England chapter there (covering the North East region).
http://www.ttora.com/forum/forumdisplay.php?f=140

Now the BAD, there have been THREE recalls on the Tacoma (first gen).
1) replacement of the venting hose on the fuel filler area (this was mainly the early Tacomas 2001 thru 2002).
2) Frame replacement - this affect ALL Gen 1 tacomas, especially the rust belt areas... yep NY. Some were scrapped and some were replaced and some were given extended warranties.
Here is that link on that screw up by Toyota
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95993
3) Final is a continuation of the frame replacement, they now want to replace the spare tire mechanism... due to rusting.
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192644

Suggestions: Get a V6, if you want a locker, the only factory option was on the TRD... other than that, a non-TRD will do fine.
Make sure the timing belt was replaced on trucks that have greater than 100K.
Other than that - HAVE fun shopping.
 
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Wainiha

Explorer
I have a 2000 xtra cab. TRD w/ e-locker. I have never had a problem w/ it.

However I have heard a lot of comments about failures. If I was to do it again I would get the 8.4 open and install an ARB.

Hopefully regear at the same point. Of course money is always a factor.
 

thejafe

Adventurer
2) Frame replacement - this affect ALL Gen 1 tacomas, especially the rust belt areas... yep NY. Some were scrapped and some were replaced and some were given extended warranties.
Here is that link on that screw up by Toyota
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=95993
3) Final is a continuation of the frame replacement, they now want to replace the spare tire mechanism... due to rusting.
http://www.ttora.com/forum/showthread.php?t=192644

Lot's of GREAT info in your post, TEJASYOTA. Thanks for that :) . Yeah, the frame rust issue is definitely of major concern considering my location. Guess I would really have to inspect the frames of any vehicle I'd potentially be purchasing.

As far as alloy rims are concerned, I currently run American Racing rims on my TJ. They aren't clear coated and look like garbage due to all the road salt that gets used here in the winter. Any good suggestions on wheels (preferably clear coated) with the proper backspacing to run the 255/85R16's?

And to answer the question from a few posts up... my uses would be 3-4hr on-road trips to get to trail riding destinations, plus overland travel. Also, day-to-day driving, including winter driving, class 4 (Vermont) roads/trails. Basically I want the vehicle to serve as a comfortable daily driver, with excellent off-road capability and enough storage space to haul whatever I would need for my adventures.

My TJ is a kick-*** off-road rig, but lacks in both the comfort and storage departments. It's also downright scary to drive in the snow because with the short wheelbase I'm always worried about the rear end coming around when the roads get icy, which has happened on more than one occasion, though not recently. Also, with the stock gears my TJ guzzles gas. Wouldn't expect the Tacoma to get way better gas mileage but an improvement wouldn't hurt :) .
 

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