Sonoran Steel 1.2 v. OME setup

Clark White

Explorer
I have found lots of people talking about how great the SS 1.2 setup is, but I can't seem to find anything that explains what all makes it so much better. I am getting ready to lift my 99 4Runner, and am either going to do OME 881 front and 891 rear, with Bilstein 5100/5125's, or I'm going to do the SS 1.2 setup (but probably still the OME891's in the rear, I think the 80 springs are just too tall for me). I understand the SS comes with the panhard bar, bump stops, and a few other goodies, but if I'm not THAT into rock crawling, then is the SS really worth twice the price?? Will the SS actually give me that much more flex or ride comfort then just the OME's?

Thanks for any advice!
Clark

P.S. If I am to go with the OME's, exactly which shocks should I get, the 4Runner specific 5100's or one of the 5125's?
 

maclean216

Observer
The front won't sag out like OME springs will and the rear has more travel. The bilstein 5100s are also a great offroad shock.

Are you planning on running aftermarket bumpers? Or adding a winch? I have OME 882's with a shrockworks front bumper and warn m8000 winch and I bet I have less that one inch of lift. I wouldn't recommend OME springs for the front.

I love my 890's though.
 

Clark White

Explorer
Upon second inspection, I noticed the 5100's aren't available for a 99 model year 4Runner, So I guess that leaves me with the 5125's. Any advice on exactly which 5125 to get for the front and rear if I go that way?

Thanks again!
Clark
 

Clark White

Explorer
The front won't sag out like OME springs will and the rear has more travel. The bilstein 5100s are also a great offroad shock.

Are you planning on running aftermarket bumpers? Or adding a winch? I have OME 882's with a shrockworks front bumper and warn m8000 winch and I bet I have less that one inch of lift. I wouldn't recommend OME springs for the front.

I love my 890's though.

Ah, I didn't realise the OME 881's would sag. I have an ARB front with Warn m8000 on it now. I am planning on putting an aftermarket rear bumper on in the future (probably next couple months).

Clark
 

cruiseroutfit

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I wouldn't be so sure on the sagging... I'm pulling off the TRD coils (same as Sonoran uses) in favor of the 882's and spacer I had on their previous as these coils are netting the same height in the end with slight interference (the Tacoma spring buckets are slightly narrower than the 4Runner so I get tad clank out of the front end). They were initially ~1" taller than the 882/5mm option, but after ~6 months and a decent amount of use they are settled to nearly the identical height as the 882's. I'm pretty heavy up front, winch, ARB bumper, dual bats, shower & supercharger.
 

E30RUNNER

Observer
I wouldn't be so sure on the sagging... I'm pulling off the TRD coils (same as Sonoran uses) in favor of the 882's and spacer I had on their previous as these coils are netting the same height in the end with slight interference (the Tacoma spring buckets are slightly narrower than the 4Runner so I get tad clank out of the front end). They were initially ~1" taller than the 882/5mm option, but after ~6 months and a decent amount of use they are settled to nearly the identical height as the 882's. I'm pretty heavy up front, winch, ARB bumper, dual bats, shower & supercharger.

Interesting... I was under the impression that the 882s were .75 in taller than the TRDs???
 

cruiseroutfit

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Interesting... I was under the impression that the 882s were .75 in taller than the TRDs???

Sorry, I should have added... I'm running a ~3/8" aluminum strut spacer on the top with the TRD coils, netting ~3/4" of extra lift. I have the free-heing measurements of both the 882 & TRD, but not the actual spring rate of the TRD so even if they start slightly different from eachother the actual spring rate will dictate more in regards to the lift... so it was always my understanding that the TRD coils were supposed to net ~2.5" on the highest shock mount setting, which is identical to what the 882 nets with a near identical shock mount setting (non adjustable on the N91S but nearly the same relative height as the Bilstein) Again it started out higher than the 882/5mm spacer but has 'settled' to about the exact same. I like the ride and flex and if it were not for the coil bucket interference, I would just leave them for the time being. However for that reason I'll switch back to the OME as I was always happy with the ride and flex there too and after ~1.5 years on the truck they were maintaining a good ride height.

It is interesting that the coil buckets vary so much between the Tacoma and 4Runner, obviously they come off of different production lines thousands of miles apart. The TRD coils have a slightly larger OD that works great on the 4Runner (installed a Sonoran kit on a customers rig which is what made me decide to test it out on my Tacoma). I'll grab some pics here.
 
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E30RUNNER

Observer
So if you were to run the N91S for both OME 882 and the the TRD with no additional spacers on the same vehicle what kind of lift difference would you see?

Sorry for the quick hijack Clark:)
 

cruiseroutfit

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So if you were to run the N91S for both OME 882 and the the TRD with no additional spacers on the same vehicle what kind of lift difference would you see?

Sorry for the quick hijack Clark:)

Good question and I think I have all this written down from my various setups and testing. Shooting from the hip (guessing) I would say a well used 882 would sit nearly identical to a well used TRD, both having 'settled' nearly 1" from time of install (which is really to be expected). The caveat is you can use a simple 5mm spacer under the coil seat of the N91S but the design of the Bilstein doesn't allow so. That 5mm equates to roughly 1/4" more lift? Again I like the TRD/Bil setup, it just has a slight rubbing issue that makes a noise on the Tacomas.

I would be interested to know if Sonoran is using the same TRD coils for his Taco lifts as he does 4Runner. If so I'm not sure how he doesn't run into the same clearance issue as I do though some might not be as bothered with it as I am and some Tacomas might have had more clearance than my 04'?
 

maclean216

Observer
I am not running a spacer and I can tell you my front lift has dropped with the added weight. FYI
Have you considered the 883 front coil
 
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freeze

Adventurer
OME coils are designed to break in. They are made to be a 1.75" lift.. no larger. The sag that you experience is it breaking in.
 

OldSven

Explorer
I took alittle from everyone and made my own lift setup which is the best I have ever had. ICON's up front, FJ80 coils out back and OME N86 shocks. If you are going to carry weight and don't want to mess with sagging issues go with the LC coils, if your not going to have weight (swingout, heavy bumper, etc.) go with the OME coils. I have had both the 5125's and now the OME shocks and I have to say the OME's have impressed me. They are not as fast reacting like the Bilsteins which is better if your not allways going 100mph. My cousin did the OME's up front on his Tacoma and you just can't beat a good coilover, they don't spring back over every bump they just take it and get ready for the next one. As for the panhard bar all you have to do is cut it in half, line up the axle to the new lift, slide a sleeve on there and weld it. It's not adjustable like some but way cheaper:)
 
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cruiseroutfit

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I am not running a spacer and I can tell you my front lift has dropped with the added weight. FYI
Have you considered the 883 front coil

I've looked at the 883/884/885 options on a gen 1 Taco/4Runner, but they have a significantly stiffer spring rate, roughly 20%. I would still like to try a set of 883's just to see how they perform. I need to figure out the spring rate of the TRD coils just for good measure.

OME coils are designed to break in. They are made to be a 1.75" lift.. no larger. The sag that you experience is it breaking in.

Exactly, some call it 'sagging' its more appropriately 'settling'.


Some great info there, and some I tend to disagree with. ARB/OME and their engineers thoroughly test all of their components. While a a suspension component might have started its life as a part for a different model rig, thats not to say it doesn't lend itself well to a similar make. Kind've like using a Tundra coil on a 4Runner or Tacoma ;) He makes some great points about using too stiff of coils to get actual height, I fully agree with that. But the 880/881/882's don't change their spring rate, and while they are rated to hold different amounts of weights as he indicates, that is based on their free-height only... the actual ride quality out of the 3 options is theoretically identical albeit slightly varied based on some slight geometry factors that one would be hard pressed to notice. So on that note I disagree. Also he mentions that an ARB winch bar with a synthetic rope equipped winch is only 75lbs heavier than stock, doubtful. Now figure in that so many of us have lights, wire rope, lights, motor accessories, etc... and that added weight is not only near the rated spring capacities but possible exceeding it.

I like his products and I do think he has a great setup, likely one of the best complete 4Runner setups on the market. I'd love to know if his Bilsteins are actually made for him or if they are the same RCD spec Bilsteins several other companies use for their Toyota setups. Anyone know?

I took alittle from everyone and made my own lift setup which is the best I have ever had. ICON's up front, FJ80 coils out back and OME 892 shocks. If you are going to carry weight and don't want to mess with sagging issues go with the LC coils, if your not going to have weight (swingout, heavy bumper, etc.) go with the OME coils. I have had both the 5125's and now the OME shocks and I have to say the OME's have impressed me. They are not as fast reacting like the Bilsteins which is better if your not allways going 100mph. My cousin did the OME's up front on his Tacoma and you just can't beat a good coilover, they don't spring back over every bump they just take it and get ready for the next one. As for the panhard bar all you have to do is cut it in half, line up the axle to the new lift, slide a sleeve on there and weld it. It's not adjustable like some but way cheaper:)

This is an area where I agree with Sonoran. Threaded body coilovers (he calls Southern Cali coilovers) are just not build to withstand the environmental elements year in and year out. Every single customer I have here in SLC running coilovers has had to have them re-built, replaced, overhauled at least once in a couple year period, and seriously not uncommon to hear of them being done once a year like Steve suggests. They are killer setups, they flex well and have the benefits of variable ride height and spring rate options. But the threaded bodies do take a beating to the Utah environment and winters, I've been there first hand trying to adjust a set of 2 year old coilovers on a relatively clean truck that sees alot of use in Utah's salty winters and nasty mud... Just not practical compared to a sealed/set coilover (ie OME) that can easily get 4-5 years of trouble free heavy use.
 

E30RUNNER

Observer
As for the panhard bar all you have to do is cut it in half, line up the axle to the new lift, slide a sleeve on there and weld it. It's not adjustable like some but way cheaper:)

+1

I had a buddy do this for me in under 20 min and it didn't cost anything:victory:
 

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