bkg
Explorer
I wasn't aware there was "boxed frame kool aid." Good to know.
Strengthening 1st generation Tacoma frame
- Thread starter zoblo
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I wasn't aware there was "boxed frame kool aid." Good to know.
toylandcruiser
Expedition Leader
Done talking to you. It's pointless. It's like talking to a child. So I'm bowing out.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
toylandcruiser
Expedition Leader
I've seen the video before. But it doesn't prove anything. It's flexible. So? Flexible doesn't mean weak or inferior. It was designed that way on purpose. Just like multiple people have shown. Every single heavy duty truck built has a flexible c channel frame. Why is that? Why is it it 1/2 ton trucks have stiff boxed frames? It's just the new thing now. Who has the stiffest frame. That's all it is. It's not superior to a c channel.
"I ask, sir, what is the militia? It is the whole people, except for a few public officials."
— George Mason, in Debates in Virginia Convention on Ratification of the Constitution, Elliot, Vol. 3, June 16, 1788
bkg
Explorer
C-channel kool-aid, perhaps?
Proves that the frame can flex enough to hit the cab, which you insist can't happen, no?
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Clutch
<---Pass
Manufacture determines how much flex they want..sure early American HiLuxes or Pickup as Toyota called them, had less flex than the Tacoma, believe they wanted a smoother flexier frame for the soft hands (
)American market when they designed the Tacoma. Did they engineer too much flex, depends on who you ask. We run into too much frame stiffness (or too much flex, the 70's bikes were awful) in the motocross world...the early aluminum Honda dirt bike frames were horridly stiff, they had to engineer more flex into the frames...me personally I like steel frames over the aluminum versions...a bit more compliant.
I agree with ya on the rust issue...total joke...Toyota did step up to the plate and take care of it though...believe they even extended the replacement into 2015.
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surlydiesel
Adventurer
Eh. My friends 01 Ford Ranger's rear bumper fell off around the time of the Toyota Frame Recall and my truck got bought back by Toyota. His truck went to the highest bidder as a parts rig because the frame was gone. The sheet metal was beautiful and it ran fine with 130,000 on it but it wasn't safe to drive. I think everyone's frames fail at some point, especially in the rust belt. I just think some manufacturers are willing to eat some cash to make customers happy. I always remind people of this story, Ford didn't care that his truck rusted out after 7 seasons and I got a check. Such is life. I've seen the video's of the Tundra beds almost looking like they are going to fall off in the bump section on the Ford course and I've seen trucks with damage to the frames but it's usually from situations beyond what the manufacturer had intended, I think? I've never managed to dent any of my Toyota cabs from frame flex and I do all sorts of strange things with my trucks, I even jumped my 99 regularly, never got it to touch the cab. I've seen frames damaged from Snowplowing, Heavy Rear Bumpers with Tire Swingouts, Sliders from a bad collision and of course being Rear Ended. If I were to add a truck camper on my truck, I wouldn't use airbags because I'm afraid I might damage the frame where the bags would contact. That is not something I think Toyota designed into the product??? Maybe they did??? If I were to add a bumper or plow, I would add end caps to the frame in the front and expect damage after a hard impact. If I wanted a rear swing out bumper, I would get the weld on supports to the rear of the frame and hope for the best. We are talking about 1/4 ton and 1/2 ton trucks. Relatively light duty and if we all used them to get groceries, we wouldn't be talking about this topic in the first place. So, using common sense, I would look at your planned use and decide if you need to strengthen the truck based on future needs.
That's like 5cents worth of BS from me but take it for what it's worth.
-jorge
That's like 5cents worth of BS from me but take it for what it's worth.
-jorge
bkg
Explorer
Manufacture determines how much flex they want..sure early American HiLuxes or Pickup as Toyota called them, had less flex than the Tacoma, believe they wanted a smoother flexier frame for the soft hands (
We run into too much frame stiffness (or too much flex, the 70's bikes were awful) in the motocross world...the early aluminum Honda dirt bike frames were horridly stiff, they had to engineer more flex into the frames...me personally I like steel frames over the aluminum versions...a bit more compliant.
I agree with ya on the rust issue...total joke...Toyota did step up to the plate and take care of it though...believe they even extended the replacement into 2015.
Can we discuss Honda/Kawi/Suzuki/Yamaha aluminum MX frames compared to KTM steal and what tracks each provides an advantage?
bkg
Explorer
LOL
Aluminum for Supercross, steel for outdoor MX and enduro...
That may depend on the whoops section(s) on the sx track.
bkg
Explorer
Pumpkins - that took me a moment. lol.
