I found a pair of not so heavy waxed canvas double faced pants from LL Bean for bird hunting ,briar proof... have one pair but alas they said the will not have any more of this style,dark green color.....Drat!It must be something in the water. I have been trying to ditch jeans recently and have found the 5.11 Taclite Pro pants to be awesome. The new jeans seem to be very thin and fragile. Its funny when I tried to shop for jeans in my size I mostly found skinny jeans or supper baggy cuts. Good grief it seems I am behind the times in the world of fashion.:costumed-smiley-007