Tacoma Winch Recommendation

piercearrowinc

Supporting Sponsor
Thanks for the welcome :) To answer your questions:

Where are Pierce planetary PS winches made?
We import the planetary winches from a supplier we've worked with for 30 years. We choose to import due to our limited size and the complexity of the winch. Our PS654 worm gear winches, however, are assembled in the U.S.

Will Pierce winches fit the ARB line of bumpers?
What is the make, model and year of your vehicle? The mounting pattern for all PS series winches is 4.5” x 10”. If you were to mount a PS9000 the measurements are 20.8" L x 6.3" W x 8.6" H (not including the solenoid assembly). If the solenoid assembly will not fit in the bumper an easy fix is to use a P039 solenoid cover with steel mounting plate and P215F plug. We can pre-wire the set up and mount the solenoid on to the plate for you. The total cost of this set up would be $35.
Here is a link to ARB's vehicle application guide for your reference.

Do you have any discounts for expedition portal members?
We'd like to offer free shipping to expedition portal members on the PS20000 Pierce PS series winch. The promo code is 20KPORTAL. I'll extend the offer until July 1, 2010.
 
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Dipodomys

Observer
I've got a M8000 on my 2008 doublecab Tacoma with the ARB bumper and am quite pleased. Shop around and you can find it for under $550, shipping included. I bought mine on ebay, new in the box for a total price of $535. I installed it at the same time as my bumper. I'm not sure that you could install it with the bumper already on the truck, and if you could it would be a pain and you'd have a miserable time stuffing it up in there. I put together the ARB on my workbench (wiring, various brackets, and so forth), installed the winch inside the bumper, and then man-handled the entire setup onto the floor of my garage. I then lifted the whole enchilada with a come-along and chain suspended from the rafters in my garage. It balanced perfectly and all I had to do was drive the truck up under it and it dropped right into place. I was amazed at my ingenuity! A one man job and no bashed thumbs.

One thing to bear in mind is how often you will actually use your winch. One of the earlier commentors suggested that having an oversized winch might help it last longer. I suppose that may be true, but oversize usually means extra weight as well, and believe me, the front suspension on your Tacoma will wear out long before any of these winches will. These are light-duty trucks (sorry guys) and must be treated as such. Weight is a killer. My suspension has "settled" a bit since I installed my bumper/winch, and that's with the OME heavy duty 866 springs. Some kind of suspension upgrade is definitely needed with this bumper/winch combo, and I've been really pleased with my OME setup. Anyway, I can also admit to you that in the two years I've had my winch I have used it exactly twice: once to respool it upon installation as recommended by Warn, and the second time to pull a guy in a high-centered Toyota Camry of a rock on a dirt road in Anza-Borrego. Yes, it is true, most of us picture ourselves as Camel Trophy guys winching through miles of mud for weeks at a time, but in fact we spend most of our time driving our safari rigs back and forth to work. Sad but true, and I'll bet most of the guys on this forum would agree (if they were being honest, that is:sombrero:). Not that I haven't been on a number of decent offroad adventures since then, but I just haven't gotten stuck. Regardless, if I did get stuck I'm pretty sure I'd be in good shape with my M8000, my Hilift, and a good old fashioned shovel.

As for American made, don't count on it. Just about all of the winches out there today are made in China. That's why they're so cheap! If I recall, I was disappointed to see that several major components on my M8000 had "Made in China" stamped on them. Not sure what percentage is U.S. made anymore (the box it came in maybe?), but it can't be that high.

Over the years I've had a Ramsey 8000 on my '85 Chevy half-ton pickup, a Warn 8274 (awesome!) on my '77 Landcruiser FJ40, an ancient Ramsey worm drive on my '64 Land Rover, and a Fairey (now known as Superwinch) 8,000 pound PTO on my '74 Land Rover. Of all of those, the Fairey PTO was the coolest (lots of levers and driveshafts and such), but the Warn 8274 was by far the best of the lot. Few could argue that the 8274 isn't the best winch ever made. Unfortunately it won't fit on your Taco without A LOT of fabrication, and it definitely won't fit in an ARB bumper without butchering the bumper. It also weighs 150 pounds and would probably kill your front end. So I went with the M8000 on my Taco, and have been very happy.

The only gripe I have is that the operating lever is hard to reach, tucked up as it is under the top plate of the ARB bumper, and only accessible via a rather small oval-shaped hole which seemed to be designed for very delicate, small-handed Australian ladies vs. a regular-sized dude like myself. I rotated the motor housing on the winch (not difficult), which helped a little, but it's still kind of bogus. However, this seems to be a function of the ARB bumper's design, not the winch's. Maybe another winch would work better, but I'm not sure.

One other bit of advice, for what it's worth, and I really hope I don't come across as lecturing: Winches are serious machines that can maim or kill. The ancient Ramsey I had on my '64 Land Rover still had enough power to tear off the top of my thumb and nearly severe my forefinger when the tip of my glove was caught between the cable and the rollers on the fairlead. It took about 0.1 seconds for the damage to be done. Fortunately I was in my front yard messing around and wasn't out in the boonies far from help. A very clever surgeon put it all back together for me, but I was lucky not to lose both fingers. That was nearly 25 years ago when I was young (19, I think) and not nearly cautious enough. Ever since then I have taken great pains to give winches the respect they deserve. Follow all of the safety rules and never rush a pull. Winching competitions, in my mind, are for morons who are itching for a chance to spend a fun-filled week in the hospital followed by a very painful multi-month recovery (if you're lucky). That's what I did and I can tell you I'd rather not repeat the experience. Don't go looking for reasons to use your winch. Use it only when you have to and don't try and make yourself a candidate for the Darwin Award like I almost did. End of lecture!

That's my two cents. Hope you enjoy your ride as much as I have mine.
 

DblD

Adventurer
That's my two cents. Hope you enjoy your ride as much as I have mine.

Howdy Dipodomys,
I appreciate the information. Too bad you’re half a nation away. From the sounds of your previous vehicles we could have a lot to talk about - having owned a ‘71 SIIA 109, a ‘68 SII 109 RHD Coil-Sprung Hybrid, a couple of Classic Rangies and still a ‘98 Discovery. I’ve never got around to having a winch on any of these previous vehicles so I’m treading on new territory here.

I was afraid I would have to take the bumper back off to mount the winch. Like you, I’d rather do it on the work bench instead of lying on my back on the garage floor.

One final question for you…
What do your indicator lenses look like? These are the ones that ARB sent but I don’t think they are correct.

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dd
 

Dipodomys

Observer
Those are actually the correct lights, even though they don't look like it. That threw me off as well, but they must be a generic "universal" light they bought. They'll fit OK.

As for your Land Rover affliction, I can sympathize. I am now a fully recovered former Land Rover owner and have since slid down the slippery slope toward normalcy and now own a rather humdrum Tacoma. I still have fantasies about doing a frame-off restoration of a Series I 107" pickup or wagon when I retire. Those ridiculously obsolete and underpowered series Land Rovers still do something for me. I guess I'm still drawn towards drinking the Land Rover Kool-aide now and then, so maybe I'm not as fully recovered as I think.

For the last couple of years I've been pecking away at a rather lengthy memoir/treatise comparing my '74 88" Land Rover, my 77' FJ40 Landcruiser, and my "79 CJ5 Jeep. I'm sure there have been plenty of conversations around campfires over the years about which marquee is the best. I'm also sure I'm also one of the few fortunate souls out there who has had the pleasure (!) of living with each of them at different periods of my life. Someday I'll finish it up and post it on the forum. In the meantime I still have a place in my heart for all three makes of vehicles, but there are few people out there that can't argue that there is just something special about a Series Land Rover. I never owned a Discovery or a Range Rover, but I'm sure the situation is the same with those. In the meantime, I hope you are enjoying a brief period of normalcy with your Tacoma (yawn). Haha.
 

DblD

Adventurer
More options bring up more questions…

Hate to beat this dying horse but a couple other questions have come to mind. I’m getting ready to pull the trigger on my first winch. Please correct me if any of my thinking is wrong.

Purchase 8000lbs winch with regular braided steel winch cable and roller fairlead. When funds allow, upgrade to synthetic winch rope for safety and weight savings.

-- Questions --
When I upgrade to synthetic line will I also need to switch from Roller fairlead to Hawse fairlead?

Can you even use synthetic line with a Roller fairlead set-up?

Should I just order the winch with Hawse instead of Roller?

Will a Hawse fairlead work on an ARB Bumper? It appears that the bumper is only configured to accept the Roller type.

As usual any and all thoughts are greatly appreciated.

dd

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Jacket

2008 Expedition Trophy Champion
You don't have to change to hawse, and with the way the fairlead is recessed into the bumper it may cause the rope to rub the bumper at extreme left or right pulls.

Take a look at the Delrin Rollers for your roller fairlead. They are lighter and more resistant to abrasion so they might play better than steel rollers with the synthetic line. I've used these for the past 4 years and it's performed well with my synth rope.
 

timmer2008

Adventurer
get an X9 and trim the bumper above the licence plate mount so you can see into the drum better.

this is my only complaint about the ARB delux winch bumpers is you cant see into the drum very well if at all.

also you might need to expand the access hole for the clutch release knob if you got big hands

 

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