evilfij
Explorer
Sort of works in the US, not admitted to practice law in any canadian province so I can't help you there. :elkgrin: BTW roverguy.com has used DII trans and has very fair prices and is a shipping expert (no affiliation)
TD5 or 300TDI into a NAS D2?
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Sort of works in the US, not admitted to practice law in any canadian province so I can't help you there. :elkgrin: BTW roverguy.com has used DII trans and has very fair prices and is a shipping expert (no affiliation)
Root Moose
Expedition Leader
Not sure about that. If I am remembering right you can bring a complete vehicle but it has to be rendered inop - typically by slicing the frame in a few places with documentation telling the customs inspectors where to look for the cuts.
For your purposes that might not be that big a deal...
Make some more phone calls.
bobtail4x4
Adventurer
I sent a 110 a few years ago, the engine and box were removed, it went as parts.
it was re registered as a kit car I recall.
it was re registered as a kit car I recall.
I looked at this in the past, the vehicle needs to be in parts and not all together in the same container.... otherwise they'll assume your just going to rebuild and drive it.
Cheapest option is prob get a front section cut out a wreck. Have it crated in the UK by a freight forwarder & then shipped in a shared container.
Try these guys for the TD5, they get lots of good stuff :drool: :
http://www.equicar.co.uk/
Andy
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
Would be awesome if we could get a couple people together to have front clips shipped over in an container. Cut the truck off just in front of the B pillar, and at the A pillar right on topof the dash.
I was talking with Dom and Land Rover Salvage last night, he was saying anything coming over has to be steam-cleaned to ISO9000-something. They don't want any contaminants brought over. That adds to the cost.
Would be nice to find out if it's possible to get a stamping for the front engine mounts. Either that, or make sure you get the front frame rails. Cut the frame out around the mounts, and then flip the mount over and grind away any remaining frame material that is not mount material. Then grind off your existing mounts, and weld the TD5 mounts to the frame. I'm not sure if that would work, or if the frame differences are larger than that.
Where have you seent that? My understanding is the frame side mounts are different as well. If it is drop in, that's a big plus for the 300.
Well, if you got the whole truck, or the front clip, it should be as simple as removing the TD5 harness and installing on your truck. That's the beauty of a factory swap.
I was talking with Dom and Land Rover Salvage last night, he was saying anything coming over has to be steam-cleaned to ISO9000-something. They don't want any contaminants brought over. That adds to the cost.
Would be nice to find out if it's possible to get a stamping for the front engine mounts. Either that, or make sure you get the front frame rails. Cut the frame out around the mounts, and then flip the mount over and grind away any remaining frame material that is not mount material. Then grind off your existing mounts, and weld the TD5 mounts to the frame. I'm not sure if that would work, or if the frame differences are larger than that.
Where have you seent that? My understanding is the frame side mounts are different as well. If it is drop in, that's a big plus for the 300.
Well, if you got the whole truck, or the front clip, it should be as simple as removing the TD5 harness and installing on your truck. That's the beauty of a factory swap.
Rob,
If you really want to go down this route, give my old friend Ian at IRB Developments a call or email. Ian's a diesel engine tech for Jaguar Cars but also runs his own tuning business... he makes D90 TD5's into drag racing stump pullers :Wow1:
He know's the electronics inside out and has access to lots of 'factory' data and stuff..... very useful.
His website is : http://www.irbdevelopments.com/
You have to bug him though as he's a real busy guy.
Best of luck,
Andy
If you really want to go down this route, give my old friend Ian at IRB Developments a call or email. Ian's a diesel engine tech for Jaguar Cars but also runs his own tuning business... he makes D90 TD5's into drag racing stump pullers :Wow1:
He know's the electronics inside out and has access to lots of 'factory' data and stuff..... very useful.
His website is : http://www.irbdevelopments.com/
You have to bug him though as he's a real busy guy.
Best of luck,
Andy
as I recall, don't alot of people swap them in D1's easily (out of the US)? I have 300TDI motor mounts in my truck, the rubber mount is EXACTLY the same as a D2 V8 mount, different part number and 1/4 the price. Supposed to be stronger too. Thats all I know.
revor
Explorer
Swapping a 300 into a D1 is "sorta" easy, the motor mounts are not the same. The 200 motor mounts are close. The transmission cross member is much different on a 300 as well.
Running a 300 in a D2, especially with an auto would really disappoint the guy that spent all the time putting it in, VW buses would kick you *** in a drag race and top speed.
Owning both a TD5 and a couple of 300's and having them put them is others vehicles I can tell that a heavy beast like a D2 would be a slow beast.. Kind of like driving a 130 with a 2.5 NA motor.
If you must buy a half of a td5 D2 and do that swap. It's gonna be a heck of a lot of $$$ and you will never recoup that money in fuel economy.
You have to really love the diesel to do it.
Running a 300 in a D2, especially with an auto would really disappoint the guy that spent all the time putting it in, VW buses would kick you *** in a drag race and top speed.
Owning both a TD5 and a couple of 300's and having them put them is others vehicles I can tell that a heavy beast like a D2 would be a slow beast.. Kind of like driving a 130 with a 2.5 NA motor.
If you must buy a half of a td5 D2 and do that swap. It's gonna be a heck of a lot of $$$ and you will never recoup that money in fuel economy.
You have to really love the diesel to do it.
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
Thanks Keith. Good info. I think I'll be putting the diesel swap on the backburner for now, now that I've realized it's possible to put the R380 behind the V8. I don't think I'd mind the slowness of the diesel at all. I drive the truck pretty slow anyway. But, the higher power potential of the TD5 would probably be a good thing.
Can you comment on the idea of the R380/V8 swap in my other build thread? Just to keep it out of this one. I wonder if you know if I have to worry about the transmission cross-member? Anybody ever done this one before?
Can you comment on the idea of the R380/V8 swap in my other build thread? Just to keep it out of this one. I wonder if you know if I have to worry about the transmission cross-member? Anybody ever done this one before?
diesel_jim
New member
just to add my $0.2 into the mix.....
If you wanted to go full Td5 route, either get a defender or discovery bulkhead wiring loom with it, then you can graft it into your disco.
The defender loom is simpler, so might be easier to join up to the existing wiring.
If you wanted to go full Td5 route, either get a defender or discovery bulkhead wiring loom with it, then you can graft it into your disco.
The defender loom is simpler, so might be easier to join up to the existing wiring.
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
This is definitely on hold for me at this point. I may consider it next winter. It's looking like the R380 swap is technically possible, and much more affordable for me at this time.
But otherwise, yes, I'd get the entire front half of the truck, and just swap everything over. No grafting, just remove whatever other loom is required and replace. I don't see why any grafting would be required at all, save the frame-side engine mounts, as the factory assembled the truck both ways. I would think the worst case would be some sheet metal work. No?
But otherwise, yes, I'd get the entire front half of the truck, and just swap everything over. No grafting, just remove whatever other loom is required and replace. I don't see why any grafting would be required at all, save the frame-side engine mounts, as the factory assembled the truck both ways. I would think the worst case would be some sheet metal work. No?
I can say a 4.0 D2 with a semi tired motor is not a fast truck..
Oilburner
Adventurer
Rob - Before you spend a thousand hours and ten grand swapping engines and transes...
What is the ZF doing. They have issues all the time, some are easy fixes as easy as something getting stuck in the valvebody (seen it twice). Tell me exactly what it did. Can you shift it manually? Does it stay in first only? You should be able to find a ZF trans for that truck for 500 bucks or less. I know of one that was stuck in first that was fixed with slick 50 and a fluid change. Don't ask me why or how but I see it around town. Swapping a trans is not that bad. You can do it in a weekend easy.
You can import a vehicle for parts on a Form 3 but it has to be a NAS vehicle. Transport Canada won't allow anything that is non NA spec in in one piece. A half cut is not a vehicle so you are good there. It has to be steam cleaned, yes, but only for dirt and contaminants for MOE compliance (foot and mouth etc.). Oil and grease and normal car crap are not an issue most of the time but it's a bit of a crap shoot, depends on the customs guy. Most of the breakers can steam clean for cheap, DO IT because the guys in bunny suits that do it in MTL are going to charge you 10X the price of doing it in England.
Having seen Keith's rig running around Moab I would also say half cut TD5 or stick in a non-rover engine, a 300TDI would be wound out making that D2 move.
Unless you are totally dying for a diesel and willing to work on your truck nonstop for 2 years swapping it out to gain nothing really I would fix the trans and rock out. The R380s are just as crappy as the ZFs.
JL
What is the ZF doing. They have issues all the time, some are easy fixes as easy as something getting stuck in the valvebody (seen it twice). Tell me exactly what it did. Can you shift it manually? Does it stay in first only? You should be able to find a ZF trans for that truck for 500 bucks or less. I know of one that was stuck in first that was fixed with slick 50 and a fluid change. Don't ask me why or how but I see it around town. Swapping a trans is not that bad. You can do it in a weekend easy.
You can import a vehicle for parts on a Form 3 but it has to be a NAS vehicle. Transport Canada won't allow anything that is non NA spec in in one piece. A half cut is not a vehicle so you are good there. It has to be steam cleaned, yes, but only for dirt and contaminants for MOE compliance (foot and mouth etc.). Oil and grease and normal car crap are not an issue most of the time but it's a bit of a crap shoot, depends on the customs guy. Most of the breakers can steam clean for cheap, DO IT because the guys in bunny suits that do it in MTL are going to charge you 10X the price of doing it in England.
Having seen Keith's rig running around Moab I would also say half cut TD5 or stick in a non-rover engine, a 300TDI would be wound out making that D2 move.
Unless you are totally dying for a diesel and willing to work on your truck nonstop for 2 years swapping it out to gain nothing really I would fix the trans and rock out. The R380s are just as crappy as the ZFs.
JL
R_Lefebvre
Expedition Leader
JL, I lost all drive, all gears, including reverse, and was left stranded. With no warning. I got about 5km from the first hint of trouble, to where I stopped. Will an R380 do that? I'm about to go out and drain the oil and drop the pan.
4Rescue
Expedition Leader
I gotta say mate, from your first post alone is sure sounds like you want the TD5... The power and refinement is sure a bonus but really I see nothing wrong with the 300TDi either...as someone already said, neither of thee motors is quite a Cummins 6bt in terms of get up and go, but I run a 22RE (so big power is something I can, and have learned to, live without) and 25mpg in a fully built Expo rig is good no matter how slow you have to go up hills eh ...
To me one of the advantages of a Diesel swap is the simplicity of the motor. Therefore IMO the 300TDI is the winner because of the lack of a computer. I'm far from knowledgeable about Rover motors specificly, so take what I say with that in mind. However I'm fairly familiar with diesel's so in that sence they're all alike eh...
Cheers
Dave
...To me one of the advantages of a Diesel swap is the simplicity of the motor. Therefore IMO the 300TDI is the winner because of the lack of a computer. I'm far from knowledgeable about Rover motors specificly, so take what I say with that in mind. However I'm fairly familiar with diesel's so in that sence they're all alike eh...
Cheers
Dave