The proper way to introduce a new spouse to the idea of family adventure planning

fullofdays

Wondering Wanderer
Hey guys, newly married here and I'm planning for an outdoor adventure this year with the wife and have come face to face with a delima. While I grew up camping and exploring the great outdoors, my wife's family never went camping as she was growing up. She has never been camping and shared that this idea is very foreign to her. There's a bit of fear of the unknown. She shared that her idea of adventure is going to disney's magic kingdom... She's not interested in the idea of camping outdoors. Anyone else have a similar experience here? Anyone have any stories of introducing others to adventures that were successful? I'd like to go about this the right way and would love to hear success stories and stories of when you've failed at this.

Any books or blogs that would would help to ease the fear of the unknown to her?

We are starting green field:

Vehicle considerations?
* Jeep JK platform with habitat/ursa minor RTT
* E350 camper van platform with pop top?

Setup considerations?
* Bathroom/Shower setup- other female friendly considerations?
* gear setup advice?

Starter adventure destination?
* Definitely North America - any starter destinations that would suit here?

Thanks!
 
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JHa6av8r

Adventurer
Two things come to mind for me. First I'd want to ask her what her impression of camping is and what if anything she might be concerned about. I'd want to make sure I address her concerns about camping and make sure I'm answering the right questions.

Secondly, does she hike or maybe fish? Hiking is is a good way to break someone in to being in nature.

Doesn't look like you're thinking of tent camping. If so I'd try a night in the back yard or very close to home to get the bedding needs worked out.
 

kevint

Adventurer
Place a lot of weight on her discomfort with the idea. Proceed slowly. Target great outdoor experiences. Always quit while she is still having fun.
 

brushogger

Explorer
I'd start out with a couple of day hikes in a scenic area, then graduate to camping in a state park with nice restroom and shower facilities. Plan a good menu so she realizes camping isn't just granola and cliff bars. You might even consider renting a pop up for a weekend. When she's comfortable with that, move on to tent camping. If you know another couple that enjoys roughing it a bit more (especially if your wife enjoys the other people's company) go with them or a group. You want to make it as enjoyable as possible. Getting her to socialize in a group of women who enjoy the outdoors kind of lends it cred.


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dblosch

Adventurer
Two things come to mind for me. First I'd want to ask her what her impression of camping is and what if anything she might be concerned about. I'd want to make sure I address her concerns about camping and make sure I'm answering the right questions.

I agree with this. Also, does she have non-camping outdoor activities she already knows she likes? I mean, camping is only half of the story... what will you do while you're out there? Hike, kayak, fish, etc... If not, maybe a few day trips to figure out what she likes to do outside are in order. For example, if she decides she really likes kayaking, then you could go camping near a lake, etc...

In my experience, it's best to introduce ladies to these things slowly. It's better to have them looking forward to small things on the next trip, than to have them looking forward to home because the first trip was too much to handle.

Dan

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Always quit while she is still having fun.

This is exactly what I wanted to say.
 
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LR Max

Local Oaf
I have the same problem here. My g/f thinks the great outdoors is the back yard. Here is what I did:

First off, let her know that the vehicle was in 100% operating condition. While I drive a 1973 Land Rover, I think the Jeep JK will offer the most comfort in this department (knowing that it is fairly new and the jeep brand is known as an off road vehicle). This removes the vehicle requirement unknown.

Second, go to a location already known. When my g/f asked where we were going, I said, "Oh yeah. Over to the park 2 hours away. I go there all the time." This lets her know that I know what is going on there and what to expect. Also letting her know that your vehicle has been there a number of times and is capable of handling the terrain. Once again, removing an unknown of location and equipment capabilities. Also let her know there is cell reception up there. I know this sounds stupid but having absolutely no contact can be scary to those who aren't used to it.

Your first destination should be close to your home. I would say no more than 3 hours away via car. This keeps things comfortable.

Third, I waited for fair weather. No freezing temps. Not too hot (ok it was hot but not completely miserable) and no rain. We did experience wind but we just got in the truck. Miserable weather can lead to a miserable time.

Fourth, informed her personal gear list. I literally wrote out what she needed to bring. Crap from sunglasses to whatever pills she takes to clothes. We went and got her a pair of boots (with the oversized socks, etc) and other things at REI just to make her life a little easier since nothing she owns is geared for outdoors. You have removed the "what to wear" unknown. I know this sounds stupid, but it is part of the mystery of the opposite gender. It is not to be understood, just sorted out before you hit the road.

Fifth, schedule. My g/f is obsessed with schedule. She is always super busy so planning ahead and schedule and all that crap is crucial. Weeks and weeks beforehand, she knew I was picking her up at 8am on a Saturday (more like 8:30, but I knew that) and we would return roughly around noon on Sunday. No later than dark on Sunday night. This adds structure.

Sixth, share the plan/map. She knew were she was going (later I found out she shared this with her friends and family so they could come find her body...yeah this is what I'm dealing with). Also lets her know that there are "nearby" towns and whatnots. Now she knows that it isn't that far off the beaten path (well this is typically the case on the east coast). Once again, removing unknowns.

Seventh, any of her female friends into camping and whatnot? Guess who she will and won't listen to... Yep. She won't believe a word you say (despite your experience) but her friend that went camping once in college for one night...she is Bear Friggen Grylls in her eyes. I can't tell my g/f a darn thing but her outdoorsy friend can convince my g/f to go backpack the Appalachian trail in half a sentence. Once again, another mystery of the opposite gender. Just roll with it.

Eighth, you need flushing toilets and running showers...like real bathrooms not a tarp with a water hose hanging off the side of your truck. DO NOT SCREW THIS UP. Seriously. Bite the bullet. Plan the trip to go near gas stations and crap. When you approach these waypoints, inform her this is the last flushing toilet for 6 hours (even if it isn't, say it). You'll be stopping...btw this is a great time to check out new games on your smart phone.

Ninth, good food. Now is not the time to bust out the freeze dried squirrel. Have good food. For our first trip, we had steaks and chopped potatoes on the grille. She ate very well that night and that helped.

Tenth, be prepared to do everything yourself. Despite education on tent operation, sleeping bag operation, etc, it sometimes doesn't translate immediately.

Eleventh, go to ace hardware and buy stuff that you put down on your lawn to keep bugs/mosquitoes away. When you get to camp, throw this everywhere. TRUST ME it will reduce the amount of loud screams and general complaints about bugs.

Twelfth, you know your stories about that time you were hanging off the side of the cliff in your truck? Or that time you got frostbite on your toes? Or that time you had to scare off the wolves with a torch you made out of a shirt? Yeah. KEEP THAT TO YOURSELF. While you and I think all of that is cool, to someone who doesn't know, that is scary as hell. When it is scary, it isn't helping your cause. So yeah, keep your mouth shut on that kinda stuff. However do inform her about the beauty of the surroundings or all the stars you can see at night, etc.

Thirteenth, pick easy trails. I'm talking the kind of stuff that you probably don't even need low range for. Yes, this is wuss but when you start jostling her around, it gets scary. As with #12, scary=scared away. If she looks uncomfortable with an obstacle, offer her the chance to get out. Then let her know it "isn't any big deal" (BTW don't screw up and make it a big deal). Toward the end of your journey, if see is really taking to it, offer to let her drive. A dirt road for her to drive your rig on is the perfect balance between keeping it exciting for her as well as keeping it under your control (I've seen g/fs run trucks off the road before, once again, this doesn't help your situation).

Lastly, try to go with others that also have wifes/girlfriends that do this as well. Once again, any word that comes out of your mouth is null and void but if it comes from another woman that yours just met, its solid gold advice. I noticed this when we went with a bunch of other friends camping late last year (totally needed Morgan Freeman to narrate how all the men gather around the campfire drinking beer while the women went off and did...whatever it is they do). She was complaining about all this crap there but after she talked to the other womenfolk, no more issues and she was totally on board. She had a lot of questions and the other gals were able to fill her in. Their communication was received better than mine and stuck.

Is it a pain? Yes. However I've done the "throw them to the wolves" kinda deal and that NEVER works. As you can tell, I met all kinds of resistance getting her out there. However once out there it was ok and I think she had a pretty good time. It gets easier each time you go and keep easing into it. Don't do an easy trip the first time then a 10 day self sufficient trip the next time. She knows what to expect and she can be more proactive. We still aren't to the "no running water" thing but that will take time to ease into it. I'm doing it in this fashion because if she isn't 100% on board with this, then it will go sour REAL quick and she won't have any part of it.

So yeah, that is what I'm doing with my girlfriend. Easing her into it. No surprises. No scares. No misery. Its going to take time for her to accept it. She isn't very excited about I'm going with "comfortable" for future trips that require camping.
 

TangoBlue

American Adventurist
Nice; you're very patient.

I'd have better luck with 550 cord, a potato sack, and about 100mg of Ketamine.
 

southpier

Expedition Leader
this subject never came up before getting hitched?

what kind of communication do you have, and what else don't you know about each other?
 

grimbo

Explorer
She should at least give it a go, you're married it's about give and take.


Make sure she will be warm, comfortable, well fed and near a toilet.


My wife's first camping trip with me involved piling into my unreliable Samurai rockcrawler and heading up into the mountains. She had to help push start it three times, it was hot, dusty, it was ridiculously loud with the Swampers. All in all in a rough start but she still comes camping now.
 

TangoBlue

American Adventurist
this subject never came up before getting hitched?

what kind of communication do you have, and what else don't you know about each other?

No, not really. We did go on a few picnics in the park when we were dating. She did complain about the humidity and bugs but it didn't seem out of the ordinary at the time. I think our communication is okay. Gratefully, we are both fluent in English; she nods patiently at my remarks -- I do what she tells me to do. I don't know what I don't know.

She should at least give it a go, you're married it's about give and take.


Make sure she will be warm, comfortable, well fed and near a toilet.


My wife's first camping trip with me involved piling into my unreliable Samurai rockcrawler and heading up into the mountains. She had to help push start it three times, it was hot, dusty, it was ridiculously loud with the Swampers. All in all in a rough start but she still comes camping now.

I often take comfort in the words of SFPD Inspector Harry Callahan, "a mans got to know his limitations." Therefore I'm not going to take that project on; we've been married for 33 years so there's absolutely no reason to cross that bridge. Sorry to mislead you'all.

We enjoy our space and private time. My 27 and 23 year old children used to go camping so they're good to go. When they were little it gave her free-time to recharge her batteries and I had an opportunity to enjoy them all to myself. My daughter, at 23, still likes to go, especially if there is some off-roading to be done. After 28 years in the military, frequent deployments away from family, and living in austere conditions I sort of enjoy my private time - she likes hers. Besides, haven't you heard, "absence makes the heart grow fond." It's true, even after 33 years.
 

Willy G

Adventurer
Honey.

Guess what,

I got a second morgage on the house and bought an Earth Roamer, :Wow1:


EdIt: this is NOT what you say
 

rcharrette

Adventurer
For the 1st outing I'd consider renting an RV. I know it's not your idea of getting out there but it may be a good middle ground. It gets you out there and gives her a toilet and shower.
Randy
Www.velomom.com
 

LR Max

Local Oaf
For the 1st outing I'd consider renting an RV. I know it's not your idea of getting out there but it may be a good middle ground. It gets you out there and gives her a toilet and shower.
Randy
Www.velomom.com

That is a pretty good idea. When I said camping to mine, she said, "You have an RV!? Where do you keep it!?" BTW if this happens, don't show her a tent.
 

fullofdays

Wondering Wanderer
For the 1st outing I'd consider renting an RV. I know it's not your idea of getting out there but it may be a good middle ground. It gets you out there and gives her a toilet and shower.
Randy
Www.velomom.com

Great ideas guys. Keep em coming. While chilling in an RV park is not my idea of adventure, there will have to be some compromises made.
 

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