The War Pig (formerly: "School me on 1st Gen Rams")

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
Those 1st gen Dodge guys....geezzzz. :)

If I was going to do it over again.

-I would get the same 91.5-93 truck with the Intercooler. The later 1st gen truck, while not being as powerful have the taller heavier frame I think ( the 8" tall frame ).

-I like my manual. Overfill it with 5 quarts of 5w-30 synthetic and you should have any problems unless you run tons of power at low speeds in high gears.

-The NP205 is bombproof, rebuilding is only a few hundred and you can get parts anywhere.

-The front driveline is a bit of a weak point. I would replace with something a little stronger if you get the chance.

-Front axle is about the best you can get. Its a low pinion kingpin Dana 60 with 35 spline inners. If your REALLY concerned you can get 35 spline outers or alloy axles. Everything is easily maintainable and rebuildable.

-Rear axle. The 32 spline D70 isn't bad, especially with the powerlok, but it is probably the weakest drivetrain component. I have been running mine with 39s for a few years without any issues however. The 'perfect' swap in my opinion is a 2003ish GM 2500 4x4 rear end. Its basically the last of the 14-bolt axles ( for easy gear and locker selection ) but with nice factory disc brakes with hat-style parking brakes. You can get them with 3.73 or 4.10 gears. The overall width is also about perfect at 67" last time I checked. This matches the front axle almost exactly, and frankly better than the stock slighty narrower D70. If you had factory 4.10 gears this would be a no-brainer upgrade IMOO. These axles can be had for $500 in junkyards.

-Body. Dodge bodies are not the best. Buy one from the southwest if you can. The paint might be baked, but you won't have much rust at all. The factory paint leaves a lot to be desired. Plan on painting it somehow. It doesn't have to be anything fancy.

-I love the stretched fenders on my truck, it was a lot of work though. It is still my favorite mod. Being able to run 38-39" tires without any lift is great. 37s would probably be more realistic and practical. If you want to run big tires look at how MoPowa cut his on DTR. He is on here too I think.

-Steering. Ditch the factory system and do crossover. Also, plan on replacing the steering shaft with something better.


These are basically 1-ton diesel powered 1970s trucks. Don't get your hopes up on ride quality, comfort, etc. Its a practical, tough, easy to fix truck.

If you aren't sure this is your thing, I would think HARD about getting a 2003-2004 Dodge regular cab long box, Cummins, Manual, base model. These are GREAT trucks for the most part. You can run 37s with no body mods or cutting if you do the right things....all on nice aluminum factory wheels. These trucks have come down a LOT in the past two years. If I had to do another truck I would most likely lean this way. Even the base model 2003ish trucks are SOOO much more comfortable and quiet than even the nicest 1st gen trucks.

Good luck on your project.
 

TheAlmightySam

Adventurer
I love this forum. So full of information!

I've got a lifted Cherokee at the moment, so I'm well acquainted with poor-riding 1970s trucks. Practicality, reliability, and ease of repair come far ahead of ride quality in my mind. Plus, frankly, the newer Dodges just don't "do it for me." Cheap plastic and electronics are the things I try to stay away from, and the newer Dodges have plenty of both.

As of this morning, the search has officially begun in earnest. Looking for an extended cab W250 that isn't in too haggard of shape.
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
Like I said, look in the southwest for rustlessness. Its worth the extra money on the 1st gen dodge. The bodies are not the best.

Let us know what you find.

things off the top of my head to check for that are expensive to fix....

-Check for leaks on the injector pump. With the truck cold work the fuel pump prime lever. Generally this will show any leaks, even ones that don't show running.

-If you buy a manual. When you test drive, lug it in 4th gear then apply throttle, if you hear any 'jingle bells' bearing noises stay away or adjust the price. Also, do a on throttle-off throttle test in each gear to see if you get any to pop out. Don't be harsh, but be firm.

-Park the truck on something flat, block the tires, and with the transfer case in neutral try and wiggle the pinion bearings/yokes and the t-case end too.


Generally a lot of stuff can be fixed, but anything with the clutch, transmission, and injector pump are going to be the most expensive. Injector pump sucks the worst.

If you find something in the four corners area I can go take a look at it for you.
 

lstzephyr

wanderer
I'd be happy to check one out for you in the southeast Arizona area, anywhere within a couple hours of tucson.

If you buy one before January 15 or so I might even be able to cruise up there with it, as long as you ship me home afterward in time for class.:sombrero:
 

Metcalf

Expedition Leader
I would be stoked if I had a 35 spline rear with the power-lok, but everything I have found says 32 spline?

edit: ARB lists the W250 D70 with 32 splines, but the D70U with 35 spline?
 
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TheAlmightySam

Adventurer
Thanks for all the offers of help, gentlemen! For the time being, I think I may have found one about five hours down south, where stuff doesn't rust quite so bad. It's a '92 W250 Club Cab. Looks like it's in nice shape. Gonna run down there this weekend and check it out.

I'll keep ya posted!
 

Terrainist

Explorer
I guess the surest way to know is pull the axle shafts, count the splines. Old trucks... what is actually what gets foggy after almost 20 years.

Hope you find the truck you look at to be acceptable!
 

TheAlmightySam

Adventurer
Back from the great Medford adventure!

Got out of town at the ***-crack of dawn... in fact, it was earlier than the ***-crack of dawn.
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Ugh. 5:30 in the morning shouldn't exist as a time. Stuff just shouldn't happen that early. But, we had five hours of driving down and five hours back to worry about, so up early we were.

Ran into a bit of weather - nothing too scary, but a rare thunderstorm over Albany at dawn, which was a treat, and some heavy-but-non-sticking snow near Grants Pass.
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It ain't sticking, but that's snow!

Met up with the seller at his work. Turns out he's a Diesel mechanic for the local Cummins shop. The truck was every bit of what he said it was! There's hardly a piece of this truck that hasn't been recently worked-on. New injection pump, new HX35 turbo, new filters, rebuilt transmission, new Centerforce clutch, new 35" Cooper STTs, new headliner, reupholstered seat...
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Inside and out, it looks like a brand new truck. I can't even find a single chip or scratch in the paint! Needless to say, I was instantly smitten with it. Came with a bunch of goodies too!

On the drive home, it performed beautifully. Absolute gobs of power, I mean fistfulls of torque. It pulls like a freight train, and I had to keep an active eye on the speedometer to avoid the attention of the local law enforcement. There's some pretty steep hills on the way home, and even at full boost (around 31 psi or so), I was hard-pressed to get the EGT over 800. It just runs like a dream!

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One last photo from a rest stop on the way back, as the sun was setting. It really is a handsome truck.

First mods are a stereo (it still even has the factory crap tape player in it!), replace the front u-joint, replace the clock spring, and see if I can't brighten up the wimpy gauge lighting.

More pics in the morning when it's light!
 
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Metcalf

Expedition Leader
DANG! :wings:

SCORE! I don't even want to know what you paid....

4.10s or 3.54s?

Power-Loc rear?

Does anyone remember project:Tugboat in FourWheeler? That truck very much reminds me of it. While no vehicle is ever 'done' I think your pretty dang close with that one. It looks like you went back in time and bought one at the dealer!

Well Done.
 

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