Tire Preference .... need some opinions.

Airmapper

Inactive Member
The LT tires are way to much being that most of them require 70 psi give or take. Wouldn't want to be airing down at all. I would run regular P tires

What on earth are you talking about? 70psi in LT tires, nobody (that knows what they are doing) does that. Depending on the tire that could be hazardous to your health putting that much pressure on them.

Did you confuse Max pressure with recommended pressure? Some tires, particularly on utility vehicle (like transport trucks) can require high pressures, passenger vehicles, even LT (Light Truck) tires, do not.

I run Load E rated Duratracs, 35psi.
 

Mcarpenito89

Adventurer
What on earth are you talking about? 70psi in LT tires, nobody (that knows what they are doing) does that. Depending on the tire that could be hazardous to your health putting that much pressure on them.

Did you confuse Max pressure with recommended pressure? Some tires, particularly on utility vehicle (like transport trucks) can require high pressures, passenger vehicles, even LT (Light Truck) tires, do not.

I run Load E rated Duratracs, 35psi.



Yes, that's what I meant. I've seen people run a much higher air pressures than recommended as to say 35psi let say. I've seen people overload LT tires before


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Mcarpenito89

Adventurer
If you plan on using 265/70 tires, I'd look for 8" wide rims. Also make sure that offset isn't going to cause clearance issues.


According to Straker101 , he says that it caused no clearance issue with the -13 offset with the 265/70/17 Duratracs . That's going lock to lock with of course normal Traxda lift or other small lift. I do highly doubt that offset with tires wouldn't rub stock height ect.


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Mcarpenito89

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really liking the more I read about these Hankook Dynapro ATM. It's def going to come down to the Gereneral Grabber AT2 or the Hankook.




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Bbasso

Expedition goofball
My tires have a max psi of 80.
And an equally impressive load capacity too @ 3415.
Which is the main reason I bought them, because my van is heavy AF.
I'm honestly afraid to get on the scales.
When I park on grass for 24 hours, my rig sinks in about 2 inches LOL.
I have done the chalk on the tires and the optimal psi is 68F/73R.
 

Mwilliamshs

Explorer
Had excellent luck with Coopers. Both AT3 and HT3. Zero complaints. Usually take advantage of their rebates each Spring on one vehicle or another. LOVE the HT3 on Ford TIB front ends

Got 70k on a set of HT3 right now on my CC DRW that never moves unless it's NEEDED and they're due for replacement soon but not unsafe or on the wear bars just yet. Rotated 3x, each tire has been front, rear inner, and rear outer once each.


Got about 40k on AT3s on my 4wd Ranger. Rotated every other oil change. They'll probably go 60k or get replaced at the beginning of Fall, whichever comes first.
 
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furtledurt

New member
+1 on the Hankook ATM's. Put them on an old Rav4 because they were cheap. Great on highway, quiet, even wear. I haven't been stuck on my farm yet. Getting ready to put 265/75 r16's on my Express AWD.
 

86cj

Explorer
Solid Info Rruff!!!! That's not a huge gap what so ever ...... I wouldn't run a LT tire however. I do drive on the beach to surf ride so I park right on the water. I would run regular P tires


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P rated tires are for light weight vehicles, your van weighs 5300lbs empty. To be simplistic if you are on this website you will use your van in ways that make a P rated tire a bad choice. They are cheaper and softer and quieter, LT tire is stronger, handles better lasts longer and is safer. The same tire in a LT has a more open tread that works better but is slightly louder, my van is quiet enough and makes it back onto the paved road every time. Put P tires on your wife's SUV.....

My buddy just put P tires on his 1/2 ton due to price and his trailer pushes it all around even at 44 PSI, you can run D or E tires at PSI other than the PSI for maximum load on the sidewall

BTW only the old bias ply tires had 8 or 10 plies in the sidewall, now it is just a rating, your radial just has a few plies and will ride OK at lower pressures. Most 1/2 ton wheels are not rated for 80 PSI so I run E rated tires at 45 to 60 depending on load. Go to the tire store and feel the sidewall on many tires unmounted, even sportscar tires have better sidewall than some cheap priceleader SUV tires. Even on the freeway a LT tire is safer when hitting an object or pothole on a 5300lb vehicle, digging out my jack and fixing a tire on a dangerous shoulder when really hot or cold is worth the $ to me especially since you will be paying for a new P rated tire to boot


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rruff

Explorer
P rated tires are for light weight vehicles, your van weighs 5300lbs empty. To be simplistic if you are on this website you will use your van in ways that make a P rated tire a bad choice.

He said he drives the van on the road (lots of commuting), no offroad, and never hauls more than 700-800 lb. I wouldn't advocate Ps for big hauling or offroad, but there are too many advantages not to use them for general street driving.

P rated tires in the size he is looking at will have ~2500 lb rating at 35 psi, and LTs ~3200 lb at 80 psi. He'll be way under the weight rating with Ps, probably no more than 2/3s of it. LTs have burly sidewalls and need to be pumped higher to avoid overheating, even if you aren't carrying a load.
 

86cj

Explorer
He said he drives the van on the road (lots of commuting), no offroad, and never hauls more than 700-800 lb. I wouldn't advocate Ps for big hauling or offroad, but there are too many advantages not to use them for general street driving.

P rated tires in the size he is looking at will have ~2500 lb rating at 35 psi, and LTs ~3200 lb at 80 psi. He'll be way under the weight rating with Ps, probably no more than 2/3s of it. LTs have burly sidewalls and need to be pumped higher to avoid overheating, even if you aren't carrying a load.

I just want him to have all the info before he chooses, and some of us have the same van and have made the switch he is asking about. While you're math is right, in the real world the steering and handling is a huge leap for the better. The van is heavy and tall so at 70 mph on a congested freeway with dips and bumps in a corner squishy tires don't feel great. The van has rack and pinion steering and torsion bars so with stronger sidewalls it handles great, and many people with the exact same van here have felt the need to say just that, not just me, check the search.

For the record good P tires have a Max pressure of 44 psi that the carcass can withstand before failure. LT tires are rated for a weight at a certain PSI with a published number at a published PSI it is not their max PSI it is the minimum PSI for that load. They dont have to be ran at that PSI unless you have that load, so running them at a lower pressure reduces their load rating possibly to the lower weight you are putting on them, it does not hurt them unless you are carrying to much weight for the PSI you are using, some brands allow even more than 80PSI if you need more capacity.

My load range E Michelin LTX on my pickup have a very thin and flexible sidewall when felt by my hand unmounted, without 80PSI they dont handle great and I wont buy them again. LT tires are not a big scary hulk of rubber like the old heat prone bias plys of the past, really just a higher quality tire.

You are not wrong, but in the real world the P tires make his van feel well like a big old van, when the speeds on the average freeway were slower and people were more careful when running in a pack like Talledega we accepted poor handling. My van is rock solid on the average aggressive high speed commute, I think Accrete used the word it handles like its on rails with my new E rated tires, so offroad is not the only place sidewall strength is noticed. Again you are not wrong but have you driven a heavy AWD Van with both tires?


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rruff

Explorer
Again you are not wrong but have you driven a heavy AWD Van with both tires?

No, but my truck is heavier and has Ps. Handles very well. I'll be going to E rated eventually because I'll need it for the load and offroad.

Everybody I know of who goes from P to E rated notices a rougher ride and MPG hit. They do have much stiffer sidewalls generally. That's why you notice crisper handling, but there are consequences.
 

Mcarpenito89

Adventurer
Ok guys , I appreciate all the helpful info to take into consideration. I am down to really price honestly.

Grabbers

Hankook Dynapro ATM

Nitto Grappler G2

Got some thinking to do.


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