To LR4 from JKUR? Need advice...

zelatore

Explorer
The LR3 is certainly cheaper and there's a bit more aftermarket support for it, but I can say I wish I had that extra 75 hp when pushing 6000+lbs over a mountain pass at 85 mph... Don't get me wrong, it's not like an old 3.8 Wrangler or anything - I don't have any trouble staying above the speed limit even with the bigger tires and added weight of the steel. But hey, hp is always a good thing. :)
 

LL247

Observer
I'm not sure I'll go with the LR3 unless I can find a well maintained, low mileage specimen. Everything within a reasonable distance has high miles and questionable records. Most of the LR4's are very gently used and well maintained since they're a few years newer. And, let's face it, it'll also come down to trade in value of the 3 month old JKUR as well! I'm ok with a loss...just not a mega-loss. Stinks that I just found the perfect steelies, had them powdercoated, fresh Coopers installed, lift and CB in...ugh. I wish it wasn't the holiday stretch, otherwise I'd have a lot more time to go check out the LR4 at my friend's place. He's an hour away and I work 65 hours a week, I guess if it's meant to be it's meant to be. Still can't believe that union jack was hanging in my brother's garage...and for the record, he let me have the flag!
 

nwoods

Expedition Leader
lol, the guy who bought my LR3 made the mistake of letting his wife drive it once. She made him buy one for Her as well. Truth!
 

spikemd

Explorer
Lr updated the interior substantially from the LR3 to LR4 but if you have rear AC in the LR4, it requires some modifications for larger tires. They are an incredibly versatile vehicle as many have attested to and with good underbody protection, it can take a beating as well. The electronic traction control is really amazing from LR.

First off, go drive one. It is very different from a Jeep and still very comfortable even with a lift and larger tires, but you are limited to 32 inch tires. But don't let that deter you because 32s can get you many places that a jeep would need 35s. You don't have a pumpkin dragging on rocks underneath you with the independent suspension. Lines you take through technical sections will be different.

I am not sure where you are located, but the Northern California LR club (Zelatore, Finlayforprex, Nwoods LR3 buyer Kevin just to name a few) is a great group of people and we plan lots of fun trips. The most common vehicle at events now is LR3/LR4, pushing out the discos.
 

PhyrraM

Adventurer
I'll second, third, and fourth the statements that you need to drive one....Drive one.....Drive one.

Far too much "internet shopping" these days. You will know in 5 minutes which suits you better.
 

LL247

Observer
I plan on driving one at my first opportunity! I have a feeling I'll fall in love though, a civilized off-road capable machine is what I truly want. I attempted that with my Jeep, have every possible bell-and-whistle...still not happy. Also not worried about a max tire size of 32'', after many Wranglers with 35's I opted for 33's and a mild lift this time around and have seen the light. For certain types of terrain the larger tires are a must, but for the trail exploration I do it's completely unnecessary. My vehicle is driven daily and sees pavement 95% of the time, no need for overkill just to look cool. I know exactly what this whole transition will entail to get the wife on board, her actually going for a drive with me. Between our two vehicles, mine is the one we take our trips to New Hampshire and other destinations in. I have a strong feeling once she sits in the luxury she'll fall down in minutes. She's also been wanting a toy-hauler trailer to replace our aging enclosed trailer, the added power and towing capacity might be another win. We shall see!
 

spikemd

Explorer
It tows great but you need the LR hitch that costs an arm and a leg. I picked one up at less than half price on Craigslist but thought it was broken until the dealer showed me how to use it properly. Doh! I also recommend the LR wiring kit as it has two trailer plugs, comes with all the hardware and literally is plug and play. Surprisingly good instructions and can be installed in a hour or so. Towing capacity is rated 7700 lbs.
 

iowalr4

Adventurer
Yep. I have posted this before (and had some h3 hummer driver freak out that it was way too much to tow.. lol)... still have 1000 pounds to spare.

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zelatore

Explorer
Yep. I have posted this before (and had some h3 hummer driver freak out that it was way too much to tow.. lol)... still have 1000 pounds to spare.

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I've seen that photo before in your other posts. But I never really noticed how close that mailbox looks. If you tell me you backed it up next to it I'll say you deserve a nice golf clap.
 

iowalr4

Adventurer
I was way too close to it. haha. I have gotten pretty good at backing this rig up. The dual axle trailer makes it a little more easy since it doesn't squirrel around much, but its still 28 feet of trailer that is wider than the rover and hard to see at some angles.

Other than not having wide side mirrors, this rig does a good job towing. The rear air bags inflate and keep things level. The chassis is so solid that you never feel like its getting things out of shape.
 

99Discovery

Adventurer
Not only should you drive one, but do it at a Land Rover dealer and let them take you over the obstacle course. My local dealer (Utah) had Rubicons on the course to, so you can compare both. (Sadly, due to the sue-happy environment which is our country, only the salesmen can go over the course); but, you will get an idea of the pros and cons, and especially comfort of the vehicle.

I was(am) in a similar boat as you. My wife likes to come, but she has a hurt back, and solid axle, short-wheelbase rigs are horrendous over corrugated roads! Right now I have a D2 which she likes, but it could be better. We were thinking of taking the depreciation hit on our 2011 2500HD truck and trade it in on an LR4/RRS/or L322 (thanks overland journal and expo for all the info on modifying these things).

driving them back to back, the LR4 was nice, don't get me wrong, but it didn't compare to the rangies overall (unless you wanted the LOOK and the CARGO space.) it's ride, while excellent, wasn't nearly as taut and just "felt" heavier.

I liked the RRS because of the shorter wheelbase and I love Chris' build and thinks it looks fantastic. Instantly, my wife hated the seats. It's a sports-ute, let's face it, and resembled my old 540i on the highway yet had more out of the box performance than my D2.

Finally, the L322 (which we actually drove first). It was a late model, jag engine and TFT screens. Holy crap, now I know how the "other side" lives that can afford $90~120k cars new. The thing was awesome AND comfortable. It helped my wife's back out the best, and had superior off-road performance out of the box (I know the LR4 is more easily modified), and was the best on the highway.

It was simply outstanding. We decided on the L322 and went to another dealer that had the lux-package with surround view camera (another fun toy for those impossible-to-see approaches). We almost bought it, but it only had 1 remote and the Caddy dealer we were at wasn't interested in buying and programming a 2nd for us.

When they finally agreed, I ran the numbers you were running: I figured that if I waited 3 years to pay off the 2500HD, the depreciation on the 2011/2012 L322s would be such that they'd probably have 30k more miles, but be $20k LESS in price. If I just waited 3 years I could KEEP the 2500HD and get the L322 I wanted in exchange for $3-5k cash and 30k miles. It was a no brainer for me, so we are enjoying the disco and waiting for the truck to be paid off.

Now you have a 2015, so that's a bit more debt load than I do, but something to think about. In your favor, well modded rubi's seem to hardly lose their value, so you won't take quite the hit I was going to take.

In short, I grew up a Jeep guy. I've owned 2 ZJs, grew up with a CJ7 and drove many TJs, all of these Jeeps I've taken over excellent courses in Moab, so I know them pretty well (except the new IFS rigs).

I've found that I just like LR. The D2 feels like driving a TJ (thank's to 100" wheelbase) with the comfort of a ZJ grand and the "coolness" factor that no Jeep can attain to. It makes the maintenance worth it.

The L322/RRS/LR4, which I've ignored for so long due to the IFS/IRS, are just works of art. The cross-linked air suspension is the real deal, and these things can do some serious trails with just some tire mods and skid plates. And not only that, but they defy their weight on the highway and feel more like a plush sedan. The only thing I can compare all 3 to is that they are more like my old '02 BMW 540i Sport on the highway, and not even near the feel of the Tahoe/Suburban/Cherokees and other SUVs I've driven in the past. Off-road, they are in their own league and something you really can't compare to anything else.....again, making the maintenance worth it.

Anyway, I apologize for the long post. Take your time. Make a date with you and your wife and drive all 3 offerings. Don't trade in the JKU, you'll do better selling it privately. Get a LR, mod it, take it to some cool destinations and send us lots of photos!
 

LL247

Observer
Update: unable to take any test drives, but i made a big step with the wife yesterday. We spent the morning trolling the 2 Land Rover dealer lots yesterday. She was partial to the Evoque and even said "maybe someday we can both get Land Rovers". No time off until next Wednesday so I'll have to wait to get in a drivers seat somewhere. Still debating on whether to pick up an 11-12 LR4, or to buy an 07-08 LR3 outright then sell my Jeep and eliminate payments altogether.
 

Dendy Jarrett

Expedition Portal Admin
Staff member
Update: unable to take any test drives, but i made a big step with the wife yesterday. We spent the morning trolling the 2 Land Rover dealer lots yesterday. She was partial to the Evoque and even said "maybe someday we can both get Land Rovers". No time off until next Wednesday so I'll have to wait to get in a drivers seat somewhere. Still debating on whether to pick up an 11-12 LR4, or to buy an 07-08 LR3 outright then sell my Jeep and eliminate payments altogether.

My truck is a 2009 LR3 (the last year for the LR3). It was a short production year due to the new model imminent. There are some technologies in the 2009 (so I'm told) that were pre-released. (IDK). But be sure that by the 2009, any and all kinks were worked out. The great thing about the LR3 is that it is slightly more utilitarian (the LR4 got "real" plush), and the prices on LR3's are really a bargain.
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LL247

Observer
and the prices on LR3's are really a bargain.
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I completely agree. That's what has me considering a LR3 buy, then I don't lose my butt trading in a 15 JKUR. Plus, with no car payment I can put the extra funds aside for preventative maintenance and repairs.
 

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