Too many miles?

Hello, I know I am currently a Jeep owner (and always will be) but I have also been looking at 80s series Land Cruisers. I would like to pick one up as a 3rd vehicle and start some work on it but all of the ones I am seeing seem to have 150k + miles, even 200k+, is that too many miles? How many miles do some of your rigs have on them, major trouble? I have heard about the head gasket but other long term issues?

I know they are very reliable but at some point things have to start to break down right? I tried searching and didn't have much luck but if you could direct me to another thread or give me some advice that would be outstanding.

My 07 JK will be my daily driver and primary trail machine, this will be used more for longer camping trips and general back road exploring plus I have just always wanted one! I would like to go with a RTT, ARB bumper, small lift and 33" tires.

thanks in advance.
 

cruiser guy

Explorer
My '82 BJ60 LandCruiser has a mere 300,000 miles an I drive it from Canada to Central America and back on a regular basis. 150,000 miles is nicely broken in!!
 

locrwln

Expedition Leader
I hate to do this to you, but probably the easiest way to answer the question is to send you over to the 80 section on Ih8mud.com. There is even a thread in the FAQ that addresses what you can expect to spend to bring a used 80 up to speed. The problem with most used Toyota's are that the owners just put gas in them and change the oil, because it's a Toyota they don't really do any of the PM, so if you buy one, you get to catch up on all of that.

I bought a 97 LX450 (Lexus version of the LC), at 95k and sold it with 105k and now own a 96 LC that had 158k and now has 166k, I would be willing to drive it anywhere. For the most part the drivetrain is a 300k system.

Jack
 

MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
Land Cruiser: When the first one wears out, we'll know how long they last.

My 93 FZJ80 has 220K and I'd hop in it and drive to Alaska with no worries.

My wife's 1988 FJ62 has 204K I'd drive it to Alaska after a birf repack.

All vehicles require regular maintenance, if you find an 80 that has been kept up, it should go for a long time.


:safari-rig: Dave
 

silverton62

Observer
Love them BOTH!

I am leaving on a TRIP for 1 year starting Nov. 7th 2008.

I have a 9/88 FJ62 LandCruiser with 187500 miles on it. I expect to be gone a year, and cover as many miles surfing central america and exploring historical spots, as I can along the way.

First, Toyota's will run many, many, many, miles, if taken care of properly. Look for the Swiss couple on the World Record Trip; (weltkreise?) in Guinness Book Records -24 years in a Toyota 1984 FJ60. Over 300,000 mile of continual driving, AND maintenance.

What stands out to me about this is; on their website they list items such as how many liters of oil used, # of spark plugs changed, # of air filters used, etc... These trucks will do what is wanted if maintained properly, and you are familiar with the systems on it.

Look at the IH8MUD forum's Toyota LandCruiser BUYER"S CHECKLIST for information on what item's possibly to look for on the truck, that are the areas known by Landcruiser owners, compiled there to help you in a situation as right now. They have aforum for 80 series only discussions; these guys have the trucks and deal with daily. Learn from them here.

I trust my life in my Toyota LandCruiser, but only because I know if something happens, I have the means and knowledge of this truck to repair it and keep going.

In my lifetime I did one thing continually over, and over, again whether it was surfing or 4x4'ing to be successful, and also retire young, and now travel; I listened to the MASTERS at the game, the older guys with experience of having been in the same place, at the same spot, at some point in their life, and found out what works best for them. In surfing it's choosing the right board for the waves that day, or at that break. In my expeditions the tool I use is a LandCruiser because it gets the job done confidently, over, and over, again! It's made for the conditions I will see.

Look at what types of vehicle's the United Nations issues to Peace-keeping forces, and coalitions today;Toyota LandCruisers with diesel motors, and solid axles, prepared for the particular application or role it's going to play. Look at this website- search for Toyota Gibraltar
Services or TGS and read what they are all about. Very neat, this is what I am after; new HZJ78 3 seater troop carrier. Pick it up in Europe and head to Africa in it, working my way here someday. Why, because the Toyota Landcruiser will do it confidently, it was made to do it.

I might also recommend if any way budgeted; Look at the 1998 and newer Toyota LandCruiser 100 series trucks now available as used trucks, that have been driven in cities by soccer mom's, and maintained. These have a V-8, locking differential, gobs of power/torque, and luxuries as well. THEN, later in life change the front independent suspension to the Toyota solid live axle, and lock it up, then travel some more in it!

I hope this helps in some way; Here, I can be on Black Bear Pass in 4 LOW in less than 5 minutes from home, SO; an "Extreme Trail" to most people out there, NEEDS to be just a routine "dog walk" run for my truck, and my driving skills. My truck can handle anything I throw at it, and I respect what it can do, therefore I stop before I break something too, back away, take a photo, and live to see another day in my LandCruiser.

I say buy a Landcruiser after researching for the right vehicle, for the right intention, AND KEEP YOUR JEEP TOO! You won't regret it! Check out EquiptOutfitter's-Paul, or CruiserOutfitters-Kirk, Or ProffittsCruiser's in Delta Colorado, Merle in Salida, Colorado, Slee off Road in Denver. They all have LandCruiser websites, and support.

Welcome to BOTH worlds; here, and; LandCruisers, if you go there!
 

ginericLC

Adventurer
I have a friend that has like 320k on his 94. The bad thing about the higher mileage ones is not so much the maintenance that you usually have to keep up on, it is wear items like seat cushions. At the beginning of last summer I ordered a new seat bottom for my 80. It had 220k on it at the time. I was really happy with my investment as last summer I put about 12k on it total. Doing the front axle service, changing fluids, replacing the pesky heater hose, and changing the headgasket are all things that are preventative maintenance. If you do them ahead of time you shouldn't have problems. The trannies and transfer cases are extremely reliable. Very few engine components fail (sensors, etc...). The metallic paints also have problems with clear coat failing. But they are a good long term rig.
 

Hltoppr

El Gringo Spectacular!
My Troopy had 308 KM on it (~204K miles) when I bought it and it runs like a top, with no problems....

I really wouldn't hesitate to buy a 200K+ mile Land Cruiser...

-H-
 
Thank you all for your replies. I have three in my sights:
1. 1993 w/ factory lockers, 190k miles, $4,600 asking price.
2. 1999 w/ 123k miles, $10,800 asking price.
3. 1993 w/ 125k Miles, no lockers, great shape $5,500 asking price.

Again, I knew that Toyotas usually outlast Jeeps but the mileage posted on here is outstanding! I have always loved Land Cruiser's and can't wait to add one to the fleet for an expedition/exploring/camping rig.

thanks again for your help!
 

dieselcruiserhead

16 Years on ExPo. Whoa!!
80 series very nice, often last forever but they can be prone to some issues as they are modern-day complex. Even at 150k they start showing wear in certain areas in certain aspects. That checklist is a good idea. That said, I have driven one with 420k miles that was immaculately maintained, it had an engine replacement but felt like one with 150k and was amazing.. I have owned Land Cruisers with as high as 288K + still going reliably...
 
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MoGas

Central Scrutinizer
Milehi explorer said:
Thank you all for your replies. I have three in my sights:
1. 1993 w/ factory lockers, 190k miles, $4,600 asking price.
2. 1999 w/ 123k miles, $10,800 asking price.
3. 1993 w/ 125k Miles, no lockers, great shape $5,500 asking price.

Again, I knew that Toyotas usually outlast Jeeps but the mileage posted on here is outstanding! I have always loved Land Cruiser's and can't wait to add one to the fleet for an expedition/exploring/camping rig.

thanks again for your help!


I'd go for #1 first. Check the locker operation, but at that price it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Usually lockers won't work due to lack of use and they will be gummed up and just need a good cleaning.

There is a problem that is specific to the earlier 1993 models only that has to do with the ECU. Look at the build date on the driver's door. If it is after May93, you will have the "good" ECU. If it is before May93, open the glove box, squeeze the pins inward to open the glove box further and you will see the ECU above the glove box opening. If the number on the ECU is 89661-60221, it has already been replaced. If the number is 89661-60170, be prepared to change it to the "good" one in the future. I've seen them on Cruiserparts.net for ~$250usd. The "bad" ECU won't leave you stranded, it will just throw communication codes and run richer.

I got lucky with mine in that it was an early build date with R-12 AC,( Brrrrrr) and the ECU had already been replaced.


:safari-rig: Dave
 

silverton62

Observer
Great Advice

Mogas wonderful, knowledgeable, advice! I had a 1993 previously in Durango, and I have never even heard that information.
I like the price of the 1999 100 series listed on the choices, again if maintained, and it should be very nice for that year. This would be a great truck to build or drive as is for a while. Any of the trucks would be great, I like the 1997 Special Edition model's too. I would look long and hard, if you are gonna get one, or keep in mind you'll have tons of support out here, and there's almost not a problem that someone has not fixed before.

MoGas said:
I'd go for #1 first. Check the locker operation, but at that price it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Usually lockers won't work due to lack of use and they will be gummed up and just need a good cleaning.

There is a problem that is specific to the earlier 1993 models only that has to do with the ECU. Look at the build date on the driver's door. If it is after May93, you will have the "good" ECU. If it is before May93, open the glove box, squeeze the pins inward to open the glove box further and you will see the ECU above the glove box opening. If the number on the ECU is 89661-60221, it has already been replaced. If the number is 89661-60170, be prepared to change it to the "good" one in the future. I've seen them on Cruiserparts.net for ~$250usd. The "bad" ECU won't leave you stranded, it will just throw communication codes and run richer.

I got lucky with mine in that it was an early build date with R-12 AC,( Brrrrrr) and the ECU had already been replaced.


:safari-rig: Dave
 

Wombat

Observer
MoGas said:
I'd go for #1 first. Check the locker operation, but at that price it wouldn't be a deal breaker for me. Usually lockers won't work due to lack of use and they will be gummed up and just need a good cleaning.

There is a problem that is specific to the earlier 1993 models only that has to do with the ECU. Look at the build date on the driver's door. If it is after May93, you will have the "good" ECU. If it is before May93, open the glove box, squeeze the pins inward to open the glove box further and you will see the ECU above the glove box opening. If the number on the ECU is 89661-60221, it has already been replaced. If the number is 89661-60170, be prepared to change it to the "good" one in the future. I've seen them on Cruiserparts.net for ~$250usd. The "bad" ECU won't leave you stranded, it will just throw communication codes and run richer.

I got lucky with mine in that it was an early build date with R-12 AC,( Brrrrrr) and the ECU had already been replaced.


:safari-rig: Dave

Because of this thread, this morning I finally got around to checking which ECU I had on my 93. I checked the door jamb and saw the build date of 2/93. Strike 1. I checked the ECU number - 89661-69220, which upon further research is the CA emission equivalent of the 60170. A quick internet search and I found a 60221 locally. Changed it out this afternoon, 10 minute job, would have been quicker if the salvage yard had left the three brackets on.
I figure I now have the "good" ECU and since my old one was still running fine I have a ready spare.
Some people knock those who replace perfectly good parts, but I plan on taking a trip to the Yucatan next spring and if there is a known weak point on the 80 I like to address it right away rather than waiting for it to fail and then scrambling to find a replacement. Hence my decision to proactively replace the headgasket, PHH, and now the ECU. I'm currently at 145,000 miles.

Scott
 

hj60

New member
260,143 miles as of today.
I'd drive it to Tierra Del Fuego tomorrow, if I had $$$ for fuel/supplies. (And more than just a week off from work.)
 

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