Toyo M/T again worn down after 25'000miles! Need better tires! Bighorn, Dynapro, KM2

[Deleted member 12023]

Thats crazy that your Toyos wore out so quick. Mine lasted 50k. 6 months of work, then the pan-am from Maine, then driving back from veracruz mex to Maine, and then another 6 months of work. And this is on a really heavy full-size truck. Are your driving like rally-car driver in the dirt?

Not sure exactly where you are but Chile is probably your best bet down there for finding what you need, albeit expensive.

 

[Mountainhound]

I run the toyo at on my 11 f250 on second set and will need another set this spring when I switch from my winter tires. It hurts how quick they wear and how much they cost but gotta pay to play I guess. I have had other tires on heavy trucks some have lasted longer some not so long, but I like the toyos and this time I might go with the mt's because I know the ones on my 94 land cruiser have around the same milage (25,000) and about half tread and I have ran them many a mile at 12-20psi also missing wheel weights on and off pavement.

 

[Raul B]

Procomp xtreme all terrains if you don't need a mud tire.

 

[deserteagle56]

ok, will look i nto the Cooper too!

The Toyo RT is not really made in overlander sizes, only fancy american pick up sizes. (17, 18" etc)

The BFG AT I already had when I bought the car. Hated those tires... louder than my Toyo MT (!!!) and on gravel roads they were sandblasting all the time the wheel housings! I hardly have a stone flying around with the Toyo MT, on the BFG AT all the time.
Also on road the Toyo MT felt more responsive. On snow the BFG AT sucked too. Didn't test the Toyo MT on snow though...
All in all I felt the Toyo MT was a much better tire, but the thread wear is really low...

Will start to look into the AT... I thought that for my Amazon trip through Bolivia it doesn't really matter if I take an MT or AT with my big weight. The Toyo MT got me stuck a few times in mud. I have 4 4x4 chains with me that I can use if it gets very muddy. The rest of my trip will be on gravel and pavement before I get home. Probably better to get an AT tire that has better wear mileage.

My observations do not tally with yours. I've used the BFG AT's for the past 30 years or so and just recently went to the Toyo MTs on one of my rigs. The first thing I noticed was how much louder the Toyo tires were on pavement. And as far as snow, the BFG ATs are known for being a good snow tire. For sure I never had any problems in snow with them. My problem with the BFG ATs was that after they were about half worn out (at 40,000 miles or so) they would rock break easily. I travel a lot of dirt roads at 40 - 60 mph that often are covered with fist-size rocks and have problems with rocks breaking right through the tread of the tire. Not a fixable flat! But you are absolutely correct about the BFG ATs flinging gravel. I learned very quickly to equip my rigs with fender flares, oversized mud flaps and even running boards to keep the gravel away from the body of the vehicle. As far as the Toyos, I don't have enough miles on them (~3,000) to have an opinion on anything but noise.

 

[Blade76]

12valve - yep, but it's my 2nd set of Toyo MT and both did wear off QUICK! The rear ones have only 4-5mm left now and the lugs are starting to BREAK off! Some lugs I can lift off with my finger and see the plies!!!
I guess it depends VERY much how much offroad you drive!
As said, we drive LOTS of gravel (50-80kmh if I have a good view) and rocks in low range. I guess that's where they really wear down, getting 3.8tons up on those steep, rocky hills down here in south america! I can watch how lugs get broken off the tire after every drive like that. Just did a drive around the Domuyo volcano, was pretty rocky but beautiful! Tires did suffer again a lot.

I must admit, I NEVER had a flat from a stone, only from nails, bolts, knifes etc. I guess this would happen with EVERY tire!
Just talked yesterday to another overlander with same car, about 300kg lighter. He had BFG MT, lasted 60'000km BUT he said he had a few flats from stones that went through the thread! Never happened with my Toyo's!

Forget all those special brands like ProComp, won't be able to get that here!
Yep, Chile is way to expensive! They charge 50% or more than in the USA for a tire! A friend asked for a BFG AT in 265 and they wanted something like 450$!!!
I will have to stick to Peru (Maxxis MT, Mickey Thomson and eventually Toyo or Cooper) or Bolivia (Hankook, BFG).

 

[Regcabguy]

I run the toyo at on my 11 f250 on second set and will need another set this spring when I switch from my winter tires. It hurts how quick they wear and how much they cost but gotta pay to play I guess. I have had other tires on heavy trucks some have lasted longer some not so long, but I like the toyos and this time I might go with the mt's because I know the ones on my 94 land cruiser have around the same milage (25,000) and about half tread and I have ran them many a mile at 12-20psi also missing wheel weights on and off pavement.

Are these the AT2's? They're warranted to 50K.

 

[NCtrail4R]

Ran a set of Toyo MTs in 255/85. Great performance but tread life wasn't great. Currently running a set of Cooper AT3s and really impressed. Still has good traction in most conditions offroad with excellent road manners, road noise, and treadwear.

If you really need an MT, take a close look at the Hankooks. Excellent offroad traction with a good balance of road performance treadwear, etc. Plus it has less MT pull, which is common with asymmetrical tread designs. You're just not going to get the kind of mileage from an MT that you will from a good AT.

 

[derjack]

Are these the AT2's? They're warranted to 50K.

A warranty for 50k does NOT mean this includes normal wear. This usually means a warranty again a defect, like a torn carcass.


Besides that I thing 25k miles for a MT is a pretty good lifetime. I had Michelin xzl 9.00x16 on a 3 ton truck (7000ib) and these have been worn out after 15k. And these are more than 500$ each!

 

[1911]

I ran a set of the Toyo Open Country MT's on my FJ Cruiser and couldn't hardly wear them out - they would have still passed inspection at close to 80,000 miles when I replaced them. But the FJC is a much lighter truck than 4 tons. The one in your photo almost looks like it was rubbing somewhere.

 

[98dango]

I didn't like how my toyos chunked on trail use my big horns do itv to but not as bad.

 

[Blade76]

I have the same on my Toyo's, but on many places. I also have complete LUGS breaking OFF and showing the ply below it! That is only from driving on gravel and rocky roads in the Andes with our car... we have a 4x4 and we do drive 4x4 stuff, but not CRAZY stuff... our car is too heavy and the cabin to big for that... still, we drive more 4x4 stuff than most overlander we meet. The Toyo MT don't seem to cope with our driving I guess. Only super positive thing is that we NEVER had a flat tire from a rock, only from nails and metal stuff, that would also get through every other type of tire. I met other overlanders with brand new AT tires and much less weight that had much more flats from sharp rocks. The Toyo MT is really super strong but the wear is very low on a heavy car and the lugs like to crack off. I can post a picture of our 20'000mile old 5th tire. I had to remove it because it's showing already on 2 spots the ply and has lots of rubber parts brocken off like the picture above.
Now that we only have 20-30% of tread left the right pull is almost gone
I think I will try the Hankooks... the BFG MT I worry about the sidewall strength.

 

[oiler]

Maybe the Goodyear Duratrac ? I have run them and liked them a lot, however I have NOT run then in conditions that tear up tires like that! Any one?

 

[kojackJKU]

Duratrac and goodyear in general have notoriously weak sidewalls. I have lots 5 in total on two vehicles, and I have been witness to sidewall failures on both the DT and MT/R.

 

[Blade76]

oh.. and I thought the MTR is super strong. Just found a 2014 Goodyear MTR set here in Bolivia for 315$. The Hankook was 240$. Hope that was not the wrong decision! i thought the Kevlar sidewall is very strong? just drove a few kilometers, noise is only little bit more than on my Toyo MT. Next week I will go through deep mud in the amazon and can report about that!

 

[Ducky's Dad]

My Power Wagon is north of 8,000 pounds, loaded, and I got more than 30M out of my last set of 35" Toyo M/Ts. If you can fit a larger tire diameter, you'll get more miles out of a set (fewer revs per mile), but it adds weight and changes effective gear ratio, plus it takes a toll on braking and fuel mileage and changes the CG a bit. The PW is now on Toyo 35" AT-IIs because I see more sand than mud. My old GMC is on a set of 285 Nittos in Load Range E. Nittos are just fine, but I'll keep buying the Toyos until something better comes along.