traveling with 1 or 2 kids and a couple of dogs?

JPK

Explorer
Bodo, K2ZJ,

Got what you are saying, but I wonder if its the ULSD itself or crappy engines which would be troublesome regardless.

We have a number of about every year Ford diesel chassis cabs, if '05+'s are much better I haven't seen it, but I haven't looked at the maintenance records looking for it either.

Also, we've had a LOt of fuel tank issues with the '06 and '07 Fords, with delamination and rust. We now put custom aluminum tanks in them when a tank goes south.

JPK
 

K2ZJ

Explorer
Bodo, K2ZJ,

Got what you are saying, but I wonder if its the ULSD itself or crappy engines which would be troublesome regardless.

We have a number of about every year Ford diesel chassis cabs, if '05+'s are much better I haven't seen it, but I haven't looked at the maintenance records looking for it either.

Also, we've had a LOt of fuel tank issues with the '06 and '07 Fords, with delamination and rust. We now put custom aluminum tanks in them when a tank goes south.

JPK

Sorry to get off topic, but... I would guess it is more the engines as you/everyone are still having less problems with the 7.3s and are using the same fuel.
 

JPK

Explorer
Good point. We aren't really off topic too much since the OP was asking for suggestions on which years, which gets into which engines and why.

(And I also get your earlier implied comment that if ULSD weren't required and unduly tough, impracticle emissions standards weren't forced on us there wouldn't be crappy engines which are too complex fitted to meet emissions standards.) (And that ridiculous piss tank, uhh, I mean uriea tank....)
 

MOAdventurer

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Hi guys! I've been reading post on this forum for a few weeks now trying to decide myself what to buy for a traveling vehicle. I've owned a jeep wrangler and a couple of XJs. Would love to have a JKU to travel around in but I have a family of 5 and I'm not sure if it would be big enough. I'm between a Dodge Power Wagon and a JKU Rubicon. I live in Missouri and don't have the middle of nowwhere places to explore like out West so I would really only use my vehicle for an expedition stlye trip maybe once a year. One thing I like about the Power Wagon is that it's already to go as far as a lift and winch. All you need to add is a shell on the back and go. I do miss running down the road with the doors and top off my old wrangler though. Anyone out there know people who have Power Wagons as their traveling vehicle?
 

JPK

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Hello and welcome MOAdventurer.

What year PW?

One thing to consider about the JKU Rubicon is that it is extremely capable just as it came from the factory. Lockers front and rear, electronic QD sway bar, good ground clearence, pretty good suspension articulation, two speed transfer case with a 4:1 low range.

How to expand a JKU: Roof Rack, rear receiver carrier/box, front receiver carrier/box (but not too big for airflow considerations.) Front receivers can be sourced from Kurt Manufactring. Also, a small trailer is an option...

With a front and rear carrier, front with a box mounted to it, my family of four managed to cram as much crap, uhh, I mean gear, into or onto the Jeep as we manage to do with my Suburban. I have a roof rack too, but that gets used mostly for the hard top's front panels.

Here's a photo of my Jeep from the front, showing the box (which was shortened from oem specs to limit interference with airflow.) There's arear carrier too. We take them off when we get where we're going so they don't interfere...
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Here's a photo of my kids and Jeep in the Utah desert near Moab, with carriers removed. We ran Fins and Things, and my kids drove easier parts of the trail.
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MOAdventurer

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I would be looking at a 2010 or newer PW. You can buy one of those for close to the same price as a JKU Rubicon. A local dealer had a 2011 PW for $37,900. I should have pulled the trigger but I'm not quite ready yet. Hopefully by next summer. If I was to buy a JKU it would be an AEV just like yours. That is one sweet Jeep! Did you buy from a dealer or direct from AEV? My dream is to show my kids the country and not just on the paved roads. I'm not into rock climbing or nothing like that. I just like to have a well equipped and prepared vehicle. How is traveling long distances in your Jeep in general? Thanks for the input JPK.
 

JPK

Explorer
For some reason when you were referring to a Power Wagon I was flashing WAY back to the old Dodge Power Wagon that used to be similar to the old Chevy Blazer, with the removable top. They were good trucks, but would be a little long in the tooth for what you're looking for.

I've driven my Jeep from MD to UT twice this year. Once for Easter Jeep Safari and then this past August with the family. 2,100 mile trip, one way. The first time a buddy and I went together and split the driving. That trip inspired my to head back, with the family. My Jeep drives and handles really well, and the ride is remarkably comfortable. Better driving, handling, riding than my Suburban. Not so much room for the kids, and of course you need to inovate for gear storage. I'll attribute some of my Jeep's ride and handling to AEV, but stock JKU's drive and handle pretty well. Modified can be better with good planning and forsight but can be worse too. The AEV suspension is remarkable, imo.

How I ended up with my Jeep is kinda funny. I had a 2006 Rubicon LJ for my hunting and fishing rig. It had a decent Old Man Emu suspension on it and 33" BFG M/T KO's and other accessories and modifications to better suit it to my uses. It was fine with me and one dog, but compared to JK's the TJ ride rough regardless of how good the suspension is. (- until you go with one of the long arm suspensions, like AEV's, but a propoer instal is a LOT of work). Range is limited too by a small fuel tank. Because of range and power and ride issues it was tanking me extra time to get to and from my hunting clubs - which sucks at 4:00am and eats into the family time at noon. I was thinking of spending the $'s on the suspension and a larger or auxilliary fuel tank but my son was getting older and begginning to come on hunting and fishing trips with me, and my daughter too sometimes on fishing trips. Then we got a second dog... The Jeep was shrinking.

My wife kept "stealing" my Jeep to run errands since Jeeps are just fun and I left my LJ with 1/2 doors and just the top, no sides, all summer. I got tired of coming home from work wanting to hop in the Jeep with the dogs and take them for a hike or to a pond to work them on dummies (they are both labs and hunt.) So my kids and I went and bought a four door Jeep for my wife for her B-day, as a suprise. She really loves it! Next thing you know, I'm the one "stealing" her Jeep for the extra room and the greatly improved ride....

I put a 2.5" BB or puck lift on her Jeep and was thinking of other improvements when I was ordered to STOP!

After a couple of months I caved and called AEV and told AEV's Jeff Clark that what I was looking for was something as road worthy as my Suburban for my very regular 2 or 2 1/2 hour trips to the hunting clubs and other longer trips but that was as capable as my LJ Rubicon when I got where I was going. (Suburbans are great, but they weigh a lot and it is easy to get one stuck in mud or high centered. Once stuck they are a ***** to recover because of the weight too.) He laughed and told me that that was not going to be a problem. He was right!

So, anyway, Jeff referred me to several Jeep dealers near AEV's Detroit workshop. One had the right Jeep for me and I bought it via telephone and FedEx. The dealer delivered it to AEV, AEV did their magic and delivered it to me... At the time there was no possibility of ordering one through a Jeep dealer, and even today that option is limited to select dealers.

The 2012 JK's have a much, much improved auto transmission and an engine with more torque and HP, a wider, flatter torque curve, better milage. Unless you're considering a Hemi swap it is the better choice than 2011 and previous, but I understand there are some great deals on 2011's.

A crew cab pickup would no doubt be a roomier cross county traveler. But to me it puts you in the same dilemna that I had with my Suburban. When you get where you're going you still have a BIG truck.

BTW, out in Moab there is no liscense requirement for some of the trails. I let my kids drive some of the easier trails to neat and interesting places. They had a blast. I'll post a couple of photos later.

JPK
 

MOAdventurer

New member
I think you've sold me JPK. I drove a 2010 JK and you're correct they do ride and handle pretty good and I'm sure with the AEV setup it's even better. A hell of a lot better than my 1991 Wrangler I had as a teenager. I currently have a 2001 Cherokee XJ with an Old Man Emu suspension on it and it handles pretty well but definitley not enough room in it. I look forward to seeing more pictures. Thanks for the input.
 

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