Video: Land Rover Defender and Subaru Crosstrek

The Yak

Observer
I quite agree, it is all sealed surface stuff that a 2WD could handle.

It looks to me as though Subaru marketing department are just trying to impress a gullible public.
 

jeep-N-montero

Expedition Leader
I quite agree, it is all sealed surface stuff that a 2WD could handle.

It looks to me as though Subaru marketing department are just trying to impress a gullible public.

Go back and listen to the last 30 seconds of the video regarding the comparison.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
Old tech. The new crop of Subarus have even more advanced systems now than whats highlighted in this 2012 video for the xv launch.
 

Dake21

Adventurer
Until that 2wd becomes a 1wd because it can't keep both rear wheels on the ground and can't go anywhere.

Im pretty sure a stock 2wd pick up would not have issue as there is plenty of traction. Of course you would need a minimum of ground clearance and wheel articulation to do this but it's do able.

The funny thing also is most people buy the subaru commercial of the best AWD in the world and expect any of their vehicule to be as good as the WRX. For the forester only the manual version has 50/50 split and most people take the auto. I'm also pretty sure the crosstek is not even a true AWD, I wish somebody could confirm/infirm it. If it was it wouldn't struggle against these roller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBYrowCZXoE Notice the mazda cx3 had no problem.
 

calicamper

Expedition Leader
The cvt awd subarus are actually better at moving power around than the MT. Ive had both, the cvt has been far better.
 

The Yak

Observer
Go back and listen to the last 30 seconds of the video regarding the comparison.

No sound .... A good advertising video should be able to tell the story visually. An advert on the TV cannot always be heard in a noisy house. If you wish me to be enlightened please enlighten me. But visually only please!
 

zelatore

Explorer
No sound .... A good advertising video should be able to tell the story visually. An advert on the TV cannot always be heard in a noisy house. If you wish me to be enlightened please enlighten me. But visually only please!

Basically at the end the announcer says something to the effect that they know the Subi isn't a competitor to the Landy but it's still impressive that it can at least play in the same area and it's far better than it's real rivals (which they don't name)
 

Hodaka

Adventurer
For the forester only the manual version has 50/50 split and most people take the auto. I'm also pretty sure the crosstek is not even a true AWD, I wish somebody could confirm/infirm it. If it was it wouldn't struggle against these roller. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kBYrowCZXoE Notice the mazda cx3 had no problem.
Crosstrek is true AWD. Also, while the MT Subarus are 50/50, many of the autos start at 90/10, and the computer controls and he centre diff to vary it from there. Many of the autos default to 50/50 (still varied by the computer) when in 1st or 2nd. On top of all that, rear LSD was included in many models, so can be swapped around easily to those not so equipped from the factory. One more tip: many of the older autos can be locked with a quick, cheap mod.
 

Theprofessional

Silent Footfalls
As far as I know all Subaru are capable of 50/50 torque split under reduced traction circumstances. the reason for the 90/10 split in passenger vehicles is increased stability during emergency driving meneuvers and the sports models vary depending on year and trim but are all rear-wheel biased.
 

Dake21

Adventurer
Crosstrek is true AWD. Also, while the MT Subarus are 50/50, many of the autos start at 90/10, and the computer controls and he centre diff to vary it from there. Many of the autos default to 50/50 (still varied by the computer) when in 1st or 2nd. On top of all that, rear LSD was included in many models, so can be swapped around easily to those not so equipped from the factory. One more tip: many of the older autos can be locked with a quick, cheap mod.

I'm confused, does many of the auto starts at 50/50 or 90/10? If it's 90/10, what makes it different from your regular glorified FWD crossover such as the crv, rav 4, rogue etc? Those model I just mentioned are also capable of 50/50 split in the case of slippage.
 

Hodaka

Adventurer
I'm confused, does many of the auto starts at 50/50 or 90/10? If it's 90/10, what makes it different from your regular glorified FWD crossover such as the crv, rav 4, rogue etc? Those model I just mentioned are also capable of 50/50 split in the case of slippage.
Im not up to date on all of those, but I know some only send power to the rear when there is slippage. I believe Honda was using a hydraulic pump or something that could not maintain power transfer for longer periods of time without overheating. As opposed to the Subaru method of being truly AWD all the time, and just varying how much power is sent where.

http://www.awdwiki.com/en/subaru/
 
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calicamper

Expedition Leader
I'm confused, does many of the auto starts at 50/50 or 90/10? If it's 90/10, what makes it different from your regular glorified FWD crossover such as the crv, rav 4, rogue etc? Those model I just mentioned are also capable of 50/50 split in the case of slippage.

The difference is in how much power can be sent to either end. Subaru sends more power to either end than the Rav. Crv is strictly fwd above 25mph and I recall only sends like 15-20% max to the rear end. Its more like fwd with slight assist. Rav 4 is also much slower to shift power to the rear and again it doesnt send much. The Subarus will send enough power that one tire with grip will get the car moving.
 

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