Wanted: Full Rig or Composite Habitat 12'-16' For Flatbed/Chassis Mount

jjx0.usa

New member
I have been looking and looking. Below is what I am looking for; I prefer something ready to use or VERY close.
12-16 foot flatbed or Chassis Mount habitat
Composite Panel or equivalent
With windows, doors, cabinets etc

If Full rig im looking for 2/4wd (4x4 preferred)
Fuso, Sprinter, 3/4 to 1 ton truck
Looking at rigs up to $150,000
I am open to doing some work but I just know how I would prefer to be turn key so I can get to traveling.
Need to be in USA or seller willing to get it here.
 

The Artisan

Adventurer
I have been looking and looking. Below is what I am looking for; I prefer something ready to use or VERY close.
12-16 foot flatbed or Chassis Mount habitat
Composite Panel or equivalent
With windows, doors, cabinets etc

If Full rig im looking for 2/4wd (4x4 preferred)
Fuso, Sprinter, 3/4 to 1 ton truck
Looking at rigs up to $150,000
I am open to doing some work but I just know how I would prefer to be turn key so I can get to traveling.
Need to be in USA or seller willing to get it here.
location and timeframe?
Kevin
 

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luthj

Engineer In Residence
Having been watching the market actively for several months, I sincerely wish you the best. Sounds like you are pretty flexible, which will help tremendously.

The only North American rigs I see in your price range are typically in need of significant work. Usually older units with outdated systems, or chassis in need of work. Basically buying someone else's mostly finished project.

If you are going new, there are a few companies that will mount a 12-14ft composite box on your chassis for ~$50-60k. This is a bare box though. Ford E-series are fairly straightforward to install 4x4 on using UJOR kits. Ford F series are also a decent option. A lightly used F350 could take a 12ft box if you keep the weight under control. Say 40k for the truck, plus 60k for a box. Leaves you about 40-50k for a reasonable buildout.

A used Winnebago ekko on the transit chassis could be had for $120-180k. These will be ready to use, but probably you will want to modify to your spec. The transit AWD system is mostly just for snow, or a bit of mud at a campsite. Not designed for continuous duty. The sprinter AWD system is much better, but still not a 4x4 100% Front or rear torque system. If you don't mind a bit lower build quality, the Entegra Condor (jayco product) is a bit cheaper. Not a true thermal bridge free box (the ekko isn't either, but its better from what I can tell).

Flatbed composite campers are typically smaller and designed for lighter GVWR trucks.


Where are you planning to travel? How many people? The different chassis have overlap, but vary in their ideal usage. Even the best composite box isn't any help if you don't have heat or AC to meet the demand. Not to mention not all rigs have 4 season designed plumbing systems.
 

jjx0.usa

New member
Having been watching the market actively for several months, I sincerely wish you the best. Sounds like you are pretty flexible, which will help tremendously.

The only North American rigs I see in your price range are typically in need of significant work. Usually older units with outdated systems, or chassis in need of work. Basically buying someone else's mostly finished project.

If you are going new, there are a few companies that will mount a 12-14ft composite box on your chassis for ~$50-60k. This is a bare box though. Ford E-series are fairly straightforward to install 4x4 on using UJOR kits. Ford F series are also a decent option. A lightly used F350 could take a 12ft box if you keep the weight under control. Say 40k for the truck, plus 60k for a box. Leaves you about 40-50k for a reasonable buildout.

A used Winnebago ekko on the transit chassis could be had for $120-180k. These will be ready to use, but probably you will want to modify to your spec. The transit AWD system is mostly just for snow, or a bit of mud at a campsite. Not designed for continuous duty. The sprinter AWD system is much better, but still not a 4x4 100% Front or rear torque system. If you don't mind a bit lower build quality, the Entegra Condor (jayco product) is a bit cheaper. Not a true thermal bridge free box (the ekko isn't either, but its better from what I can tell).

Flatbed composite campers are typically smaller and designed for lighter GVWR trucks.


Where are you planning to travel? How many people? The different chassis have overlap, but vary in their ideal usage. Even the best composite box isn't any help if you don't have heat or AC to meet the demand. Not to mention not all rigs have 4 season designed plumbing systems.

Thanks for the information!
Plan to travel solo; possibility of times with 3 total (2 adults, 1 child)
Not a fan of the mass produced, EKKO etc, as they are just terrible imo. I lived in trailers enough to know how horrific their insulating and thermal properties are.
I prefer to find a used rig, sprinter, fuso, f series with a composite box build out on it.
Looking to travel all of Canada, Alaska, and maybe down into South America, may even look to transport to EU later but with the market overseas I would probably just go over there and buy another rig at that time. I would def like 4 season; or the ability to add heaters to the systems to keep them capable of operating low temps.
The market has be enundated with builders throwing e-series box vans and builds up, calling it "adventure" or "overland" and marking it up $100k lol.
 

gator70

Well-known member
Honestly the price range is just fine. Most with a name brand will be $50k higher.
Beware of the DIY choices, most are hiding issues, that the seller may not even know about.
I've seen Fusos at $90k. However older models might be out of compliance with laws.
Two years ago my search was exactly like yours.
 

luthj

Engineer In Residence
Not a fan of the mass produced, EKKO etc, as they are just terrible imo.

I know the feeling. However the ekko is much better than typical RV garbage. There are some thermal bridges, but they are way less than typical RVs. Its not a frame-free box, but you can use it in cold weather without condensation dripping on your head all the time, or frost everywhere on the walls. Most of the plumbing and water tanks are internal to the box as well.

Ekkos are better than most, but still need rework to reach overland full-timer level. The chassis and box seems serviceable, and with some systems upgrades you can get something usable. The electrical system seems somewhat servicable with the second alternator and larger LFP bank, inverter seems wired correctly.

Quick list
Convert to diesel/gasoline fired air heat (can also do water if desired).
Convert to composting toilet.

Fuso after (2017?) have the Duonic trans and V6 engine, and no low range (in the USA). I personally would avoid if you are going to be doing lots of miles. Sprinters can be fine, the OM642 V6 can be a pain to work on due to the turbo system being crammed into a small space. The OM651 I4 is a better option, and generally more reliable. Starting in 2023 the OM654 I4 was offered, which is a well developed powerplant. Though it is fairly complicated in the HO config with dual turbos.

I strongly advise driving a few of these commercial trucks before getting serious about them. Most ride painfully bad. Units that have had suspension improvements aren't cheap, and can still be a bit rough on long drives.

If you are planning on extensive international travel, being able to use your water and waste systems in all weather is moderately important. There are many rigs, even composite units, that do not meet this requirement, or require extensive electrical power to keep tanks/lines from freezing.

Be aware that many diesels can have expensive emissions issues if run on diesel with high sulfur content. The sensitivity varies widely between models. I would advise a gasoline powerplant if going with a post 2006 rig, but there are many nuances to this.

The market has be enundated with builders throwing e-series box vans and builds up, calling it "adventure" or "overland" and marking it up $100k lol.
Yeah, there have been a few...

That being said, an aluminum skinned box with steel studs can make a good camper. Glue a couple inches of XPS into the walls, panel with lightweight materials (can even be FRP sheets). Then do a traditional build-out.

You don't need a composite box "overland" unit to get where you want to go with some level of comfort. There are many details to a reliable, comfortable, and cost effective build. Having a "true" composite box isn't mission critical. In fact I have seen a few units with composite boxes that were borderline unusable. Too large, too heavy, poorly ventilated, difficult ingress/egress.

Some of the details are out of date, but some good discussion here.


About the only situation where a true composite box unit is required, is in artic winters, or if running AC off-grid in temps over 95F.

Its pretty rare for folks to overland in an arctic winter, for obvious reasons. Running AC off grid continuously in temps over 95F requires a robust electrical and solar system (or a noisy gen). In general folks tend to overland in weather they can go outside in. Which tends to limit the typical temperatures.


I don't know what your experience is with overland traveling in general. Vehicle dwelling is a wide and deep field, you don't know, what you don't know! Your daily life will have significant time sinks that aren't present in normal stick-house life. Finding parking places, navigating various roads/streets/towns. Getting water, dumping waste, cooking and sleeping all take longer in some cases. Managing electrical power, etc.

How these daily/weekly tasks are performed is almost completely depending on your preferences, and the vehicle/design you choose. The decisions you make now will have major impact on how you live, and how much you enjoy it.

That doesn't mean you should freak out. It does mean you should narrow down your needs a bit more specifically. This is doubly true if you don't have extensive experience vehicle dwelling.
 

luthj

Engineer In Residence

Here is the link to the actual listing, so folks can find it...

  • Not a 100% composite shell from what I can tell.
  • Propane for cooking can be challenging to source, every country can have their own bottles, and rules regarding them.
  • AGM house batteries.
  • 240hp with 22,000lb curb weight (will be significantly higher with gear). It will be slow with 100lb/HP.
  • The unit doesn't list low range. So it will have 4 forward gears. Top speed may be quite limited.
  • Be aware that tires with that weight will be expensive, and could be very difficult to source on the road. Used tires can be >1200$ each.
  • The MB 14XX chassis is pretty basic. That could be a pro, or could be a con. Depending on what springs it has, ride may be... difficult.
  • Given the age sourcing spares hard parts can be a challenge. Some friends of mine have one of these trucks, and have become good friends with an expat in Germany to source used parts. I believe these use an air over hydraulic brake system, which can be challenging to diagnose.

  • It still needs some work. Seller lists shower plumbing, spare tire rack, etc.

Also note that it has a 14L engine. Fuel economy is not these units strong suit.
 
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jjx0.usa

New member
Here is the link to the actual listing, so folks can find it...

  • Not a 100% composite shell from what I can tell.
  • Propane for cooking can be challenging to source, every country can have their own bottles, and rules regarding them.
  • AGM house batteries.
  • 240hp with 22,000lb curb weight (will be significantly higher with gear). It will be slow with 100lb/HP.
  • The unit doesn't list low range. So it will have 4 forward gears. Top speed may be quite limited.
  • Be aware that tires with that weight will be expensive, and could be very difficult to source on the road. Used tires can be >1200$ each.
  • The MB 14XX chassis is pretty basic. That could be a pro, or could be a con. Depending on what springs it has, ride may be... difficult.
  • Given the age sourcing spares hard parts can be a challenge. Some friends of mine have one of these trucks, and have become good friends with an expat in Germany to source used parts. I believe these use an air over hydraulic brake system, which can be challenging to diagnose.

  • It still needs some work. Seller lists shower plumbing, spare tire rack, etc.

Also note that it has a 14L engine. Fuel economy is not these units strong suit.
Thanks, I checked it out but dont particularly like the drivetrain and chassis due to the rougher ride, limited speed, full time 4wd
 

Midge

New member
Having been watching the market actively for several months, I sincerely wish you the best. Sounds like you are pretty flexible, which will help tremendously.

The only North American rigs I see in your price range are typically in need of significant work. Usually older units with outdated systems, or chassis in need of work. Basically buying someone else's mostly finished project.

If you are going new, there are a few companies that will mount a 12-14ft composite box on your chassis for ~$50-60k. This is a bare box though. Ford E-series are fairly straightforward to install 4x4 on using UJOR kits. Ford F series are also a decent option. A lightly used F350 could take a 12ft box if you keep the weight under control. Say 40k for the truck, plus 60k for a box. Leaves you about 40-50k for a reasonable buildout.

A used Winnebago ekko on the transit chassis could be had for $120-180k. These will be ready to use, but probably you will want to modify to your spec. The transit AWD system is mostly just for snow, or a bit of mud at a campsite. Not designed for continuous duty. The sprinter AWD system is much better, but still not a 4x4 100% Front or rear torque system. If you don't mind a bit lower build quality, the Entegra Condor (jayco product) is a bit cheaper. Not a true thermal bridge free box (the ekko isn't either, but its better from what I can tell).

Flatbed composite campers are typically smaller and designed for lighter GVWR trucks.


Where are you planning to travel? How many people? The different chassis have overlap, but vary in their ideal usage. Even the best composite box isn't any help if you don't have heat or AC to meet the demand. Not to mention not all rigs have 4 season designed plumbing systems.
Luthj,
Could you post, or send me a list of builders that you mentioned will build a clay shell for a pickup, please?
Thank you.
Midge
 

luthj

Engineer In Residence
Luthj,
Could you post, or send me a list of builders that you mentioned will build a clay shell for a pickup, please?
Thank you.
Midge

I assume by Clay you mean composite?

There are different but overlapping markets. Pickup bed campers, flatbed campers, and direct chassis mount camper boxes are all slightly different.

As far as the pickup and flatbed campers I'm not familiar with the current offerings, as I have little interest in pickup platforms due to the extended cab/hood length.

A quick read through the classified section here will show a large range of companies offering products in that space in the USA.

To an even greater extent it depends on whether you want a turnkey option or willing to do the engineering and upfit.
 

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