What is NEEDED for a decent overland set up?

jeepdreamer

Expedition Leader
Lots of good opinions here so I'll just toss mine in the ring.
Basic survival gear is kind of a no brainer as is camping stuff.
Right behind those I'd add self recovery equipment if you plan on going solo (not the preferred way but its give-take there really) A winch will make extraction far easier on you and the vehicle but a hi lift, come-a-long, chains, etc... can all be made to work if pressed. A lot depends on where you plan to explore honestly. You could get away with a sand ladder in the desert but in the mud you may wear yourself out trying to get out of a hole without a winch.?.
As your a mechanic you at least understand how to make trail repairs. The basic "stop you in your tracks" issues should be covered in spare parts. As mentioned, belts, hoses, fuses, and whatever else you can imagine is a dead in the water without a replacement item. One item you should remember to bring is replacement U joints for both drive shafts and axles. They could use the same part # which is great but you don't want to grenade one and then find you don't have a way to continue without it. And don't forget any special tools to make repairs that could come up. Does that mean you need your entire garage? No. But you know what is often used and what can only be fixed with special tools. Balance the potential for a failure versus carrying to much.
Its really easy to overbuild/over think the entire issue. I know I am often guilty of this and it is difficult to resist. I was raised in the better to have and not need school of thought so I catch myself sometimes bringing junk I realize would be a 1 in a million chance I'd need.
The biggest thing is going to sound a little cliche, just get out there and do it! I find I spend a highly unbalanced amount of time wrenching, modifying, or tinkering on my Jeeps than I do enjoying them. So often I find myself knee deep in some repair/mod that I miss out on trail runs or other events I would have liked to attend. I'm trying to force myself to keep at least one trail worthy, non- project able to get out there.... I'll let you know when I manage that one. :)
 

Caoboy

Adventurer
The will to get where you're going. Read the DRC thread with the Belgians. They didn't even have a winch!
 

NorthernTouch

New member
So I guess to start i'll just put on some decent 30" tires (as long as they don't rub) and sway bar disconnects. I don't plan to go running through mud holes for fun so I can probably do without the winch so i'll grab a hi lift jack with the off road kit. When I get the vehicle if the A/C is pooched i'll do on board air as well. If I find myself coming to close to dragging on a regular basis i'll just fab up and add skids as necessary.
 

Imnosaint

Gone Microcamping
If I find myself coming to close to dragging on a regular basis i'll just fab up and add skids as necessary.

This is the best advice I've had - the first need you have is to know your vehicle and your limits in it. Chances are we're all wheeling in terrain that we'll be re-wheeling in. Build toward that end.

Recovery first. A HiLift with kit isn't as glamorous as a Warn winch, but it'll do the job regardless of power.
 

88Xj

Banned
So here's my 2cents worth..this is assuming your looking at a XJ.

You should know the basics of overlanding before trying to overland. Know the area, know basic cpr, ect ect. An old scuba saying comes to mind...plan your dive and dive your plan. Let people know where you will be, when to be back ect ect.

Your rig, will need to be 1000% reliable. Maitenance and some basic spares will do you very good, grease all the points, replace all the bushings. If in a Xj make a small drawer setup in the rear for spares, fluids ect. You will need recovery gear..and please learn to use a High lift as its a very very useful tool. You should carry a fire extinguisher, a wide variety first aid kit, tow straps ect ect...I know theres a thread on this forum that says what are the basics.
You will need recovery points. Tow hitch, maybe tow hook brackets up front.
Again if in a Xj, upgrade the steering to the crown HD steering..its the V8 Grand cherokee setup. No worries of bending your tie rod anymore! You can do a small budget boost to help clear 30's or 31's with or without trimming. A 2" spacer & S10 main leaf for the rear works well..helps carry weight without sagging as well. Or if your feeling spendy pick up some OME leafs & coils.
At minimum get a C-rok, Tnt or JCR inner steering box brace.
Add a gas tank skid if you can & a Tcase skid..depending what you do, the factory tcase skid may work. A factory gas tank skid works just as good as the aftermarket.

My setup is a factory tire carrier, factory tow hooks front & rear, factory gas tank skid. 31's trimmed fenders 2.5" lift with Tera flex monster adjustable upper & lowers. My stock arms were dead & there seamed to be the best out there. (v8 Zj coils & 2" spacers, rear is 1" OME HD's with a RE 2.5 full length AAL) I have Crown HD steering. I have a durango steering box & Tnt inner steering brace. I plan to do a hidden winch (search my recent posts for details) & a sneaky bumper/tow hitch. It will be 3x3, 3/16 through the rear frame rails to stiffen it up when flexing & it will also be my tow hitch/reciever.

Heres links to both to give you ideas.
http://www.naxja.org/forum/showthread.php?t=1074617
http://www.jeepforum.com/forum/f11/tucked-trimmed-winch-build-1157408/

I have upgrade my eletrical by using a KWIP grounding kit. Its bolt on good to go. I used all 0guage & a 150A ANL fuse kit. This is probably one of my favorite mods I've done..easy as all heck, & worth it to not have to worry about issues later in life. I run a 145A alternator & will have dual batteries soon enough. I run a wagoneer front clip & hope to find a brush guard to ward off brush or limbs so I don't crack or break it. I run 2 Hella 500ff's on my bumper and thats it. I may add some Kragen 7" HID to my A pillars and only have them mounted when I'm out.
I'm in the process of having my crossmember built. Its 2x4, 3/16 & is about 3/4" lower than the frame rails. My frame stiffeners will be welded on at the same time.
I will be using UHMV to make a flat belly on my jeep basically, with counter sunk bolts, to help me slide over stuff when needed!

Otherwise I have a pretty basic jeep..I did the stiffer v8 GC coils to help carry the extra weight & the 2" spacer for lift. Same as the rear. 1" OME HD for weight & 2.5" RE aal for lift. 400lbs and I sag maybe .5". Crown HD steering to give me piece of mind, 31's & 3.55's with a 5speed is slightly better than factory gearing. I upgrade my D30 with 760X shafts with full circle clips on the u joints & a c8.25 29spline in the rear.
The crossmember was upgraded/built because I banged up my factory one from dragging my belly on rocks. Also the reason for UHMV..to help me slide & no leave the rocks/trails scared up behind me!


Basically its knowing your area, first aid, maitenace, recovery, minor lift & tires. Know how to use everything you carry, save space & travel light..don't carry things that aren't needed! I wanted a good base, so I upgrade my axles first and for most...went from a 88 d30 disconnect to a 94 D30 non disconnect with 760X joints (bigger u joints) & full circle clips which is also stronger than the half circle clips they come with! In the rear my D35 was ditched for a 29cpline c8.25. I went from 3.07s to 3.55's. I tryed to do what I could while keeping everything simple! Remember don't use parts that you can't find everywhere..keep it close to stock so you can find spares just abut anywhere on the planet:)

Good luck..sorry for the story.

Note: Xj's had 2 tire carriers...you want the early AMC model. It mounts to the body & bumper...if you decide you want a factory one. Thats the way to go. May take a while but hunt every local junkyard close to your or even local forums for one for sale. It took me 9 months to find mine. I even went as far as asking guys aruond town that had them if they wanted to sell theres.
My jeep was setup for it already, yours may not..but its very to run & mount and cost bout 20 bucks at a junkyard. I payed 17 + 7 for bolts & washers.
 
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squint

Adventurer
Good advice so far...my two cents:Figure out where you will be going and what you will be doing and build accordingly once you have some miles under your belt. You goals and plans tend to change over time anyway so no need to rush into everything at once. Planning and building your vehicle is part of the journey itself -enjoy it! :)
 

88Xj

Banned
Ya this video get tossed around by me alot! It goes to show what a jeep can really do.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IFd9ugS8gqA

Thats a 2" budget boost. AAL & spacers on 30's (245/75's) I believe. Has skid plates to for protection & a locker front and rear. All in all about 1500 worth of upgrades. Keep it simple & light, upgrade the weak links..like the steering. Have 760X axle shafts up front.
Replace all u joints when you get the jeep..at the same time. That way you know whats what and when things will need to be replace. 400 bucks for maitenance is not bad at all..U joints, rad flush, oil, cap, plugs, wires, rotor ect. Do it all and get familiar with the jeep.

Rustys offroad has a 2" coil spring which is nice vs using spacers. It's also 175lbs/sq" while stockers are 160 which will help carry weight. They also offer a 3" 180# coil spring which is nice. Huge bumpers, a million light ect ect is not needed! Start small. Decide if you want to trim or not? If not 30's it is..if you don't mind trimming 31's will work. I love the trimmed look with a wider stance. I run 15x8's with a 3.75" back spacing which makes the jeep slightly more stable..
 

Dan Grec

Expedition Leader
Everyone's idea of Overlanding is different, so we've all trying to do different things.

I think many Jeepers love to try and get places that other people maybe can't get to, so there is a heavy 4x4 component, as evidenced by the advice in this thread.

My idea of Overlanding is to travel the world, Overland, so I drove my 200 TJ from Alaska to Argentina. It was a stock 2.5 ltr, with 31s.

It was an amazing little vehicle, and I didn't have a single breakdown in 40k miles. For such a long journey, I've decided reliability is the number one goal. I'm following a lot of friends now doing the same trip, and they're all having mechanical nightmares (not in Jeeps).

I plan to go further and in more remote countries next time, so I think a winch makes sense. I'm also going to focus on the camping aspect to have better sleeping and cooking equipment.

Each to their own.

-Dan
 

88Xj

Banned
Everyone's idea of Overlanding is different, so we've all trying to do different things.

I think many Jeepers love to try and get places that other people maybe can't get to, so there is a heavy 4x4 component, as evidenced by the advice in this thread.

My idea of Overlanding is to travel the world, Overland, so I drove my 200 TJ from Alaska to Argentina. It was a stock 2.5 ltr, with 31s.

It was an amazing little vehicle, and I didn't have a single breakdown in 40k miles. For such a long journey, I've decided reliability is the number one goal. I'm following a lot of friends now doing the same trip, and they're all having mechanical nightmares (not in Jeeps).

I plan to go further and in more remote countries next time, so I think a winch makes sense. I'm also going to focus on the camping aspect to have better sleeping and cooking equipment.

Each to their own.

-Dan



exactly what I've tryed to do with my setup..I'm also trying to get more camping mods down! I think a budget boost..2" or so and 31's is perfect for any Xj owner. or 30's if you don't want to trim The added ground clearence, slightly larger tires will suit well offroad. Plus they look 10x better!
 

grahamfitter

Expedition Leader
I'm of the opinion that a good eye and a light right foot will keep you out of most trouble.

A cheap air compressor and a tire plug kit are worthwhile purchases. If you have P-rated tires you will use them a lot! Light truck rated tires hold up much better. Also if you have a compressor you can air down your tires to 15-20 PSI and transmit a lot less discomfort to both yourself and the vehicle when driving on corrugated roads.
 

JCMatthews

Tour Guide
I drove a '97 XJ for 13 years. I ran it a long time a 2 1/2" budget boost. It went anywhere I wanted it to go. I added sliders, and they came in handy. When I uped my lift to 5 1/2", I only had problems. I ended up selling it because I was tired of trying to keep it from having failures. If I was to do it over again (and I would like to) I would use an OME HD 2 1/2" lift, 30 X 9.5 X 15 BFG AT tires. An ARB bull bar w/ 6000lb. winch, full coverage skid plates, sliders, a good heavy duty rear bumper, chasis stiffeners, and a nice high quality rear locker. I like protection, and traction.

I could only find pictures of when it was getting to be too much.
 

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marcall

Observer
I drove a '97 XJ for 13 years. I ran it a long time a 2 1/2" budget boost. It went anywhere I wanted it to go. I added sliders, and they came in handy. When I uped my lift to 5 1/2", I only had problems. I ended up selling it because I was tired of trying to keep it from having failures. If I was to do it over again (and I would like to) I would use an OME HD 2 1/2" lift, 30 X 9.5 X 15 BFG AT tires. An ARB bull bar w/ 6000lb. winch, full coverage skid plates, sliders, a good heavy duty rear bumper, chasis stiffeners, and a nice high quality rear locker. I like protection, and traction.

I could only find pictures of when it was getting to be too much.


That's what I like too. That's why I mentioned a 2-3 inch lift with 3 being ideal. From a purely aesthetic point of view imo that's when they look the best as well. To me the Cherokees and GC's were always a multi purpose vehicle and unlike most other mpv's they really retained their off road heritage first and foremost. They should've come from the factory at a 2 inch lift but I guess they figured Jeepers would want to tinker ;) I have a 2inch on my 04 WJ and it's night and day from when I took it out stock. I was constantly hitting bottom. I have dents all over my cat and muffler from those two times and that was just rocky 4wd trail, nothing especially difficult.i plan to go to 3 eventually but that will be the limit.
 

Jakes01234

Explorer
You could drive that truck out of the showroom and over nearly any trail in US/Canada. Just make sure it's in good mechanical condition.

Winch if you can afford it, since of all the things you can dump money on, it's the only thing that actually gets you UNstuck.
Go through the axles, driveshafts, and steering, rebuild as necessary. If the rear is in particularly sorry shape and needs a complete overhaul, consider doing other upgrades (locker, higher spline count shafts, etc) while you're in there.

Anything that adds weight reduces reliability, so only add armor and bumpers if you care for the sheet metal.

Add the best tires you can, and you're good to go.

i wish i read something like this 6 years ago when i built the jeep the first time then 5 years ago when i redid the build then 2 years ago when i redid that build :iagree:
 

Prjktjho

New member
Awesome advice that a lot of people should read, Including me! My best advice? Don't blow all of your money building it and leave yourself with no money to enjoy it. My xj looked awesome in my driveway but rarely saw the trail because instead of filling the tank and going somewhere I always bought more upgrades I never needed. Fix what needs fixed, get some recovery gear, grab some friends (preferably in another rig or two) and head out!
 

Mekcanix

Camper
I will echo some of the other folks here. I wish I had advice like this years ago when I started. My only wish was to have a adventure rig, what I ended up with was a rock rig that was not pleasant to drive to and from work and I was quite frightened of breaking. I wheeled alot but didnt actually explore much. With what I have always had in mind I consider my present XJ a little over built, but I know have plans to enjoy it, not upgrade it. There is no point to spending all of your time and money building a unstoppable rig if you cant actually afford to enjoy it. That being said I know guys who love building and dislike wheeling soooooo "to each there own"
 

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